@Naujawan Dude how do you measure the standard of a league so as to make a sweeping statement about 'A' league is better than 'B' league? What criteria do you take into account while comparing the two leagues? If its the standard of players playing in both leagues, it is already established that ISL sides are continuously poaching I-League players in large numbers. And these players are playing well enough in the supposedly "higher" league against supposedly "better" players. Whereas the players from ISL who have gone to I-League sides on free transfer or loan have not done so well in the last 2 seasons amongst supposedly "lesser" talented players of i league. What does that tell you - whose standards are better? If the criteria is the competitiveness of a league then going by the last season alone, Bengaluru fc dominated the ISL the entire season, finished top of the league and eventually won the final with no team really challenging it. Whereas the i league went to the wire till the last round to determine the champion. Before the third last round i think 3 or 4 teams still had a chance to win the league (Real kashmir, EB, Chennai.....i am forgetting the 4th team). Thats how close and competitive the i league was. So tell me which league is better? And in terms of comparison of Indian players in both leagues, honestly there is not much or any difference, quality wise. In terms of foreigners as well, barring one or two, the standards are the same for both leagues. Chennai fc foreigners were miles better than the ones employed by most ISL teams. The only criteria on which ISL trumps i league is infrastructure. They haven't better facilities and salary structure for their players but thats coz of the money factor. But I league teams are the real youth factories of the country, churning out decent youth prospects each year. So please don't make such sweeping statements.
the whole ISL vs I league thing exist because ISL is projected as better league ... It looked better When there were 6 foreigners in playing XI and I league had 3+1 , as soon as that playing field was made even by having same foreigners we saw games of I league are competitive too.. everyone thought ISL sides would get huge results like 5-0/7-0 against I league teams ,but the fact is ISL teams struggled to win games at times.. thats where point comes in that I league teams are equal or even better at times... even I league matches are competitive , have good pace and gameplay...its just foreigners that make somewhat difference in team nothing else ... (from 2018-19 season) you tell me difference between teams like churchil and last four teams of ISL?
In all your justification , you cant once prove why I league is drained league except entire arguments are based on All NT players play in ISL so its best....it is your assumption that all NT players are good or best... reality is barring handful of players rest are on same level ... If you can say that one tournament or pre season is not sufficient then simply saying I league is drained is not good enough unless you play both teams in same league( which we dont)... FYI I league was never second division or lower league as you are saying it is forcibly made...
Yes I league quality is bad as compared to what it was in NFL era at start .... but in comparison with ISL , ISL is not the same product it was in 2014or15 , it has just become same product with better packaging (broadcast, prime slots, marketing)... on the other hand I league has improved lot since 2014
See the standard differences aren't so high also but there is a difference for sure. You are repeating what I said, I league has produced more players.
As I said I measure the standard of the league on the basis of how many nationally team regulars feature in the league. As simple as that. Now you can doubt the credibility of selection and say xyz should be in the team or shouldn't. But the fact that all good I league players have moved on to ISL and many more in the future will. And when they perform amongst the best in the country they will definitely get a call up.
Players from ISL who have gone on free transfer means their teams didn't want them, hence a team that wanted them signed them. Loan means the same, you send out players you don't need on loan.
We really can't decided if the league standards are better just based on competetiveness only now can we ?
Do you think BFC ATk and FC Goa are same standards as I league champs ?
Sure they can lose one match or even three but overall quality ?
ok so ISL teams are better than ISL because there are more NT players in ISL(cos you are giving same reason for every question )..
thats the whole point for your reasoning? then I am done with discussion... Hope you wake up from dream-state after some years
just to tell you one more ground reality: the fact that all good I league players have moved on to ISL or Players from ISL who have gone on free transfer means their teams didn't want them. That's because we have forced one league to relegation , coach wont select players from I league despite hes good performer .. lets say if players know door to national team is ISL why would they try to be in I league.. Adding to that, ISL would offer much better salary which I league team may or may not afford thats why they let go players
to answer your questions Do you think BFC ATk and FC Goa are same standards as I league champs ? YES put them in one league we will see whos on par and whos below par And if they do well even then you will come with argument that they are one season wonder
Sure they can lose one match or even three but overall quality ? Overall quality is good if you come out of your bubble that all NT players are in ISL so its good
We really can't decided if the league standards are better just based on competetiveness only now can we ? No there are many factors, I league matches happen end to end with high intensity as compare to many games in ISL.Technically players are sound as well, Game speed is not lethargic like many ISL games(any regular watcher can tell you ISL games becomes one dimensional and slow down remarkably which makes them boring) Fitness of players in league is good - why? they play matches in 2pm heat or chilly weather in kashmir and still play good game... technical aspects like passing, moving ball forward to right person, pressing when not in possession , gamereading while doing interceptions , positional awareness- these all things are there with I league matches as well....
What I league is good at 1. Basic footballing culture such as pro/rel Basic difference is In ISL teams fight for 4th position to go in play off but I league teams aim for top spot 2. ability to draw crowd without marketing 3. youth system 4. due to pro/rel competitiveness is fierce i mean teams fight for their place
What we needed was combination but we kept on projecting ISL is better which isnt
Don't twist my words lol. I said the league has better players than I league. Anyway we are going in circles. Theres absolutely no point of this.
If your reasoning is ' oh they beat them once or they play at higher pace' I really dont know what to tell you.
If 70% of the top players in the country are in a league, it makes their standards higher. Now if your retort to that is, but many good players in the I league also can make it to the team. It's obvious they will and get poached by a richer club in ISL. That's the sad reality.
I still don't understand your reasoning for players moving from ISL to I league. All ISL rekecys go to I league and I league performers come to ISL would you disagree ? Free agent means his contract wasn't renewrd.
Anyway way. Bottom ISL teams and I league teams can be on par but not the whole league.
If your reasoning is ' oh they beat them once or they play at higher pace' I really dont know what to tell you. | Anyway way. Bottom ISL teams and I league teams can be on par but not the whole league.
These two lines itself summed up your delusion (cos I gave you enough reasoning instead of repeating same stuff since morning)
never mind , as I said Hope you wake up from dream-state after some years I will happily wait for that day!!
I have been following I league way before ISL and have seen it change over the years. Call it delusional. If you think both the leagues are of the same standard .Good for you. Comparing teams and comparing leagues are two different things hope you knew that.
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If the criteria is the competitiveness of a league then going by the last season alone, Bengaluru fc dominated the ISL the entire season, finished top of the league and eventually won the final with no team really challenging it. Whereas the i league went to the wire till the last round to determine the champion. Before the third last round i think 3 or 4 teams still had a chance to win the league (Real kashmir, EB, Chennai.....i am forgetting the 4th team). Thats how close and competitive the i league was. So tell me which league is better?
And in terms of comparison of Indian players in both leagues, honestly there is not much or any difference, quality wise. In terms of foreigners as well, barring one or two, the standards are the same for both leagues. Chennai fc foreigners were miles better than the ones employed by most ISL teams.
The only criteria on which ISL trumps i league is infrastructure. They haven't better facilities and salary structure for their players but thats coz of the money factor. But I league teams are the real youth factories of the country, churning out decent youth prospects each year. So please don't make such sweeping statements.
In all your justification , you cant once prove why I league is drained league except entire arguments are based on All NT players play in ISL so its best....it is your assumption that all NT players are good or best... reality is barring handful of players rest are on same level ... If you can say that one tournament or pre season is not sufficient then simply saying I league is drained is not good enough unless you play both teams in same league( which we dont)... FYI I league was never second division or lower league as you are saying it is forcibly made...
Yes I league quality is bad as compared to what it was in NFL era at start .... but in comparison with ISL , ISL is not the same product it was in 2014or15 , it has just become same product with better packaging (broadcast, prime slots, marketing)... on the other hand I league has improved lot since 2014
As I said I measure the standard of the league on the basis of how many nationally team regulars feature in the league. As simple as that. Now you can doubt the credibility of selection and say xyz should be in the team or shouldn't. But the fact that all good I league players have moved on to ISL and many more in the future will. And when they perform amongst the best in the country they will definitely get a call up.
Players from ISL who have gone on free transfer means their teams didn't want them, hence a team that wanted them signed them. Loan means the same, you send out players you don't need on loan.
We really can't decided if the league standards are better just based on competetiveness only now can we ?
Do you think BFC ATk and FC Goa are same standards as I league champs ?
Sure they can lose one match or even three but overall quality ?
thats the whole point for your reasoning? then I am done with discussion...
Hope you wake up from dream-state after some years
just to tell you one more ground reality: the fact that all good I league players have moved on to ISL or Players from ISL who have gone on free transfer means their teams didn't want them.
That's because we have forced one league to relegation , coach wont select players from I league despite hes good performer .. lets say if players know door to national team is ISL why would they try to be in I league.. Adding to that, ISL would offer much better salary which I league team may or may not afford thats why they let go players
to answer your questions
Do you think BFC ATk and FC Goa are same standards as I league champs ? YES put them in one league we will see whos on par and whos below par
And if they do well even then you will come with argument that they are one season wonder
Sure they can lose one match or even three but overall quality ?
Overall quality is good if you come out of your bubble that all NT players are in ISL so its good
We really can't decided if the league standards are better just based on competetiveness only now can we ?
No there are many factors, I league matches happen end to end with high intensity as compare to many games in ISL.Technically players are sound as well, Game speed is not lethargic like many ISL games(any regular watcher can tell you ISL games becomes one dimensional and slow down remarkably which makes them boring)
Fitness of players in league is good - why? they play matches in 2pm heat or chilly weather in kashmir and still play good game... technical aspects like passing, moving ball forward to right person, pressing when not in possession , gamereading while doing interceptions , positional awareness- these all things are there with I league matches as well....
1. HD quality broadcast
2. Marketing
3. salaries
4. prize money
What I league is good at
1. Basic footballing culture such as pro/rel
Basic difference is In ISL teams fight for 4th position to go in play off but I league teams aim for top spot
2. ability to draw crowd without marketing
3. youth system
4. due to pro/rel competitiveness is fierce i mean teams fight for their place
What we needed was combination but we kept on projecting ISL is better which isnt
If your reasoning is ' oh they beat them once or they play at higher pace' I really dont know what to tell you.
If 70% of the top players in the country are in a league, it makes their standards higher. Now if your retort to that is, but many good players in the I league also can make it to the team. It's obvious they will and get poached by a richer club in ISL. That's the sad reality.
I still don't understand your reasoning for players moving from ISL to I league. All ISL rekecys go to I league and I league performers come to ISL would you disagree ? Free agent means his contract wasn't renewrd.
Anyway way. Bottom ISL teams and I league teams can be on par but not the whole league.
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Anyway way. Bottom ISL teams and I league teams can be on par but not the whole league.
These two lines itself summed up your delusion (cos I gave you enough reasoning instead of repeating same stuff since morning)
never mind , as I said Hope you wake up from dream-state after some years I will happily wait for that day!!
I have been following I league way before ISL and have seen it change over the years. Call it delusional. If you think both the leagues are of the same standard .Good for you. Comparing teams and comparing leagues are two different things hope you knew that.