Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
Well ONGC has sponsored I-league and National Football League number of times. That comes under promoting football. in my view there should be footballing reasons. Air India and ONGC should not be relegated if they finish in mid-table.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
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Well ONGC has sponsored I-league and National Football League number of times. That comes under promoting football. in my view there should be footballing reasons. Air India and ONGC should not be relegated if they finish in mid-table.
Thats the mentality that will kill us. We are thinking about football teams using only footballing reasons in a developing footballing country. Where is the sense in that.
Unless our structure is like the Premier League (Way off) then I dont see that as an acceptable criteria. Air India and ONGC bring nothing to the table. I don't care about their sponsorships because during that time Indian football's progress has been slow and somewhat regressing. Unless they actually wake up and actually start acting like a real football club then there is no reason for them to remain. They provide nothing off the field to improve Indian football. You can talk about the youth players all day long but the fact is that we are still a struggling football country that is ranked far below expectations worldwide and so far I have seen no Air India or ONGC player close to breaking that spell for us.
I would rather us allow clubs based on what they can bring to the table. If they can bring in something to move us forward and actually improve our league and football overall then there is no reason not to have them. If you want them to prove themselves on the field first, fine, then do what Japan did and create a I-League membership criteria and force the clubs to not only pass that but also finish in the promotion spots. At least that will provide the balance.
Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
So far I like the look of clubs like Kohima Komets and South United and even Delhi United to provide the next generation of Pune FC type clubs but I would like to see them develop first before tackling the I-League. United Sikkim and Shillong Lajong are examples of clubs taking on the challenge to early. Develop all aspects first to sub-par value and then work to the top.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
So far I like the look of clubs like Kohima Komets and South United and even Delhi United to provide the next generation of Pune FC type clubs but I would like to see them develop first before tackling the I-League. United Sikkim and Shillong Lajong are examples of clubs taking on the challenge to early. Develop all aspects first to sub-par value and then work to the top.
Yes I agree but we also have examples of developed clubs like JCT, Mahindra,Viva Kerala closing down. Small clubs need revenue to be well prepared for I-league. how about dividing 2nd division regional wise? North East League with tickets and TV sponsorships in local channels. Clubs should play in two leagues-One regional and if you are successful there then I-league. Smallclubs need Home and away matches to earn money. that will prepare them for I-league.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
So far I like the look of clubs like Kohima Komets and South United and even Delhi United to provide the next generation of Pune FC type clubs but I would like to see them develop first before tackling the I-League. United Sikkim and Shillong Lajong are examples of clubs taking on the challenge to early. Develop all aspects first to sub-par value and then work to the top.
Yes I agree but we also have examples of developed clubs like JCT, Mahindra,Viva Kerala closing down. Small clubs need revenue to be well prepared for I-league. how about dividing 2nd division regional wise? North East League with tickets and TV sponsorships in local channels. Clubs should play in two leagues-One regional and if you are successful there then I-league. Smallclubs need Home and away matches to earn money. that will prepare them for I-league.
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Something like that. I am still wondering what happened to the proposed North-East Premier League. Eventually I would like to see a system in which we have a 5-tier system. The I-League. I-League 2nd Division. Indian Football League. Indian Regional Leagues. And the State Leagues.
And not only would you have to win the league or be in a promotion spot to get promoted to a league but you should also pass specific criteria to get in. That way, if a club is serious, they will not only invest in their on-field play but also it will entice them to work off the field as well.
We should not just accept mediocrity. For example, in this 2nd Division we have Kohima Komets. What if the surprise happens and they make it to the I-League. They dont have a stadium with grass!!!
As for the clubs you mentioned. Notice how JCT and Viva Kerala closed shop after relegation. Mahindra was in a bad market and could not handle it anymore. They did not have a problem with money. They just saw nothing of value in the I-League and went off to youth initiatives.
Point is, for the two clubs mentioned at least. Relegation was the final straw. Once you are relegated from the I-League what do you have left? A whole year before you come back. Sporting Goa survived because of the Goa Pro League providing some substance (same with Vasco and Salgaocar and Mohammedan with the CFL) and Shillong Lajong survived through the SFL but what will happen with United Sikkim when they are relegated? They would have nothing. Honestly they should not be in the league in the first place but they are and now they are facing what seems like a footy version of bankruptcy soon.
That is why I am against relegation but somewhat okay with promotion but only if its on a criteria bases as well as on-field. We have seen many clubs fold shop and United Sikkim or Lajong could be next without I-League.
Okay, just finished the Pune FC vs. East Bengal match. Only one thing to say though... Pune FC can be champions if they have someone who could be consistant. James Moga is a good forward but he is not consistant. One day he can skillfully get around a Dempo defender and score pass India's #3 goalkeeper with ease but the next he can miss a shot from 2-yards out with an open net.
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ONGC-too good to be relegated. and United Sikkim do not deserve to be in I-league.
Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
Well ONGC has sponsored I-league and National Football League number of times. That comes under promoting football. in my view there should be footballing reasons. Air India and ONGC should not be relegated if they finish in mid-table.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Both ONGC and United Sikkim dont deserve to be in I-League. ONGC dont care about promoting football in India while United Sikkim's internal owners and sponsors were not smart enough to see that they were not ready for I-League.
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Well ONGC has sponsored I-league and National Football League number of times. That comes under promoting football. in my view there should be footballing reasons. Air India and ONGC should not be relegated if they finish in mid-table.
Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
So which game will be shown on TV today? Tenaction website has some problems it seems.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
Yes I agree but we also have examples of developed clubs like JCT, Mahindra,Viva Kerala closing down. Small clubs need revenue to be well prepared for I-league. how about dividing 2nd division regional wise? North East League with tickets and TV sponsorships in local channels. Clubs should play in two leagues-One regional and if you are successful there then I-league. Smallclubs need Home and away matches to earn money. that will prepare them for I-league.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Honestly I would like to see the AIFF start a campaign like the Sikkimese government did with the "Search for more Baichung's and do a "Search for more Pune FC's" because, while they are not perfect (far from it), they are still the most professional football club in India and I am surprised there is no calls for more clubs like that.
Yes I agree but we also have examples of developed clubs like JCT, Mahindra,Viva Kerala closing down. Small clubs need revenue to be well prepared for I-league. how about dividing 2nd division regional wise? North East League with tickets and TV sponsorships in local channels. Clubs should play in two leagues-One regional and if you are successful there then I-league. Smallclubs need Home and away matches to earn money. that will prepare them for I-league.
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Okay, just finished the Pune FC vs. East Bengal match. Only one thing to say though... Pune FC can be champions if they have someone who could be consistant. James Moga is a good forward but he is not consistant. One day he can skillfully get around a Dempo defender and score pass India's #3 goalkeeper with ease but the next he can miss a shot from 2-yards out with an open net.
Lalmohan Hansda played the first I-league match for Prayag yesterday against MB. He came on as sub to replace C.K. Vineeth.