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  • silicon3silicon3 351 Points
    i think yesterday was d best day for a lot of indian football fans especially on IFN<br>
  • reddevil87reddevil87 1858 Points
    Was reading an TOI article on England's exit out of EURO 2012. It seems even in England people feel their traditional 4-4-2 is not good enough to win matches against good team. Even, the lack of possession is also mentioned by some of the english football pandit's :).<br><br>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/euro-2012/top-stories/Michael-Owen-calls-for-coaching-overhaul-after-Euro-agony/articleshow/14386949.cms <br>
  • reddevil87 wrote: »
    Was reading an TOI article on England's exit out of EURO 2012. It seems even in England people feel their traditional 4-4-2 is not good enough to win matches against good team. Even, the lack of possession is also mentioned by some of the english football pandit's :).<br><br>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/euro-2012/top-stories/Michael-Owen-calls-for-coaching-overhaul-after-Euro-agony/articleshow/14386949.cms <br>

    <br><div><br></div><div>Oh yes. Michael Owen is 100% right! England should give up there style and give in to the shit Spanish Tika-Tokijsdubdhbefbeab whatever in which they have 2000 passes a game (99% of which come at the half-way line between there defenders) and be called boring.</div>
  • reddevil87reddevil87 1858 Points
    edited June 2012
    Hey arsenalkid, I know you felt bad for England, but the truth is Italy dominated the game (The match would have ended in 90 mins, if Italians were on target). English players gave their best for this match (including the support team). Nobody is complaining that England didnt gave their best. It was felt that England's tactics was wrong. This was one of their good display. Even with this loss they can held their head high. <br><br>But, the call of new style of play is growing more and more in the English system also. Nobody mentioned change the style to Tiki-Taka. Why is the possession football is either called tiki -taka or total football, even when it is far from it? Surely Italians didnt play tiki taka, but kept possession. <br><br>Surely, parking the bus (supposedly famous name is "Chelsea's tactics"), is it not boring?? (Chelsea fan dont take it wrong way). The point is when you cant score a goal or create chances everybody will say the tactics is boring. Even when you play total football or counter attack or whatever it is.<br>
  • reddevil87 wrote: »
    Hey arsenalkid, I know you felt bad for England, but the truth is Italy dominated the game (The match would have ended in 90 mins, if Italians were on target). English players gave their best for this match (including the support team). Nobody is complaining that England didnt gave their best. It was felt that England's tactics was wrong. This was one of their good display. Even with this loss they can held their head high. <br><br>But, the call of new style of play is growing more and more in the English system also. Nobody mentioned change the style to Tiki-Taka. Why is the possession football is either called tiki -taka or total football, even when it is far from it? Surely Italians didnt play tiki taka, but kept possession. <br><br>Surely, parking the bus (supposedly famous name is "Chelsea's tactics"), is it not boring?? (Chelsea fan dont take it wrong way). The point is when you cant score a goal or create chances everybody will say the tactics is boring. Even when you play total football or counter attack or whatever it is.<br>

    <br><div><br></div><div>Well honestly the parking the bus was not boring at all during all 4 of Englands matches, specially yesterday. When Italy were near the box I was confident that Italy would not score yet when England were near the box you had a sense that England might get it. Of course though that might be because England only was near the box around 25 times yesterday compared to Italy's infinity. </div><div><br></div><div>As for tika-whatever, whenever I go to England and talk to someone about the style all I hear is "We need to play tiki-taka football" and I am like "WTF! That is even more boring". Tell me none of the people on IFN almost went to sleep after watching Spain on Saturday (or Sunday in India). I mean the French players were just standing when in defense and just allowed the Spanish player to look and pass. Finally when Samir Nasri came on (as much as I hate the lesbian) he actually got stuck in and pressured the Spanish.</div><div><br></div><div>What the Football Association needs to do is change the youth leagues in England. Not just the coaching. MANCHESTER CITY! The best club in England (Supposedly) started the Elite Development Academy last season and look at the players. All of them are fucking foreign. The FA needs to start imposing rules on how many youth players can be foreign in the squad. The talent is there. We found it in Jack Wilshere, Alex Chamberlain, Joe Hart, Danny Welbek etc but we can find more players. </div><div><br></div><div>Just like what I am calling for the I-League U20 league in which I want a squad rule stating that only 5 players in the squad can be from outside your state the team is located in, I want a rule in England stating that each Premier League and Football League team must have a Academy/Youth U19 squad which consists of 23 players... 6 of which can be from outside the country. Done. </div><div><br></div><div>In terms of coaching, I doubt the FA can do much. The way a coach conducts the game is there own preference, specially at the u8 to u16 levels. I just hope that it is not like how it was when I started... "Okay Rohan when that soccer ball comes to you I want to kick it as far as you can."</div>
  • reddevil87reddevil87 1858 Points
    Spot on!! I liked the points you mentioned. <br><br>Coming back to the article, I felt the point is they want the coaching in lower leagues to more creative than kick and run. English FA need to train their coaches on this. I saw some videos of the lower leagues, specially League one and Lower teams of Championship, it is only kick and run. Coaches there only knows that. <br><br>Since, you cant guarantee that the best youth player will always come from a high class of top teams, they can also come from lower league academies. Now, a talented player who has only been taught kick and run style during younger days cant play possession football suddenly. This where England is failing. Even if they learn to do so, their natural tendency would be to kick and run when under pressure. (Note I am not saying they are no people in England who cant pass). <b>Tiki Taka is not a solution always</b>. <br>
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    reddevil87 wrote: »
    Spot on!! I liked the points you mentioned. </font><br><br><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Coming back to the article, I felt the point is they want the coaching in lower leagues to more creative than kick and run. English FA need to train their coaches on this. I saw some videos of the lower leagues, specially League one and Lower teams of Championship, it is only kick and run. Coaches there only knows that. </font><br><br><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Since, you cant guarantee that the best youth player will always come from a high class of top teams, they can also come from lower league academies. Now, a talented player who has only been taught kick and run style during younger days cant play possession football suddenly. This where England is failing. Even if they learn to do so, their natural tendency would be to kick and run when under pressure. (Note I am not saying they are no people in England who cant pass). </font><b style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Tiki Taka is not a solution always</b><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">. </font><br><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">

    </font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">That is also why Arsenal dont loan to English teams that much. We only do so when we are 80% sure that player wont make it but if he has a chance to make it at Arsenal we send him to Spain, France, or even Netherlands. Unless your an English club like Bolton who are good with youth you are not getting our players because our players practice the passing game as soon as they join. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">By the way I think this is a good example of how far England Youth teams are...</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
  • ^^Hey bro how could you be an Arsenal fan and not like posession football?!?!?!
  • archakarchak 2082 Points
    posession football and tiki taka are two different methods @aamirakram_19
  • ^^Hey bro how could you be an Arsenal fan and not like posession football?!?!?!

    <br><div><br></div><div>The way Arsenal play it is fast and really effective (with the right players and mentality). Tiki Taka is just boring to me. Literally in all of Spain's 4 matches the Spanish defender/midfielder would have the ball and all he would do is stand look around for 5 seconds and pass and all the marker does is just watch and let it happen. Finally when Samir Nasri came on during the France game I actually saw him attacking the Spanish when they had the ball.</div>
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