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  • thebeautifulgamethebeautifulgame Durgapur,India29637 Points
    edited May 2019
    Some thoughts

    Academic absurdity

    While the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) deserves compliments for having declared the Class 12 examination results in record time ~ 28 days ~ it is fairly palpable that the evaluation has been greeted with a fair measure of scepticism at senior levels of the academic circuit.

    Not the least because the two candidates who have shared the top position have scored an astonishing, almost incredible, 499 ~ out of 500 ~ in the humanities stream. Three other humanities students have been awarded 498. And of the 18 who have scored 497, only six are from the science stream. It is the marks tally that has raised eyebrows and not the conventional wisdom that science subjects are far more scoring than humanities.

    This is not to militate against the stellar performance of those at the top, only to underline the necessity of ensuring that evaluation is suitably convincing at the time of college admission. There has been a sharp increase in the number of candidates who have scored above 90 per cent ~ 94,299 against 72,599 last year. Marking in CBSE exams has seldom, if ever, been so generous. Almost inevitable, therefore, is a higher admission cut-off mark or percentage point.

    Arguably, the high marks, almost unprecedented, can be attributed to the objective-style format, which regretfully does not translate to a higher standard of learning. Not the least because it dispenses with the narrative style of answering essay-type question papers. The trend, which has been pronounced this year, has been manifest ever since CBSE adopted the multiple- choice and short answer type questions.

    High marks indicate that the students have learnt how to crack the code of the examination, not necessarily that they have grasped the concepts. It is the pattern of the question papers that calls for reflection. “Students are not being trained to develop a coherent argument on the subject they are studying,” is the lament of the Central Institute of Education under Delhi University. Not to put too fine a point on it, the praxis could well lead to a system of cutting corners in course of the search of learning.

    At the Class 12 level, indeed the threshold of the transition to the under-graduate stage, a student’s knowledge of the chosen subjects must of necessity be comprehensive to the extent possible. Objective type questions lend no scope for incisive learning. As the principal of a school in Delhi has remarked, a sharp increase in scores does not imply ipso facto that learning, verily the acquisition of knowledge, has improved.

    “A score of 80 per cent now is equivalent to 50 per cent many years ago. The students are scoring 100 out of 100 even in social science subjects”. This is absurd, to say the least. Misgivings that the purpose of education might thus get defeated are not wholly unfounded. Generous marks and liberalised evaluation can, at the end of the day, be counterproductive.

    https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/academic-absurdity-1502752279.html

    munna219777
  • NagendraNagendra Rajahmundry, A.P6482 Points
    ;munna219777 .... I will recommend batting first...

    At an air temperature 27 'o' C  (with relative humidity 70%), dew point is at around 21 'o' C...  Dew point < Air temperature.. Due to this dew will be more, and it will be tough for bowlers, mainly spinners
    1. For Fast Bowlers, main disadvantage is bowling yorkers as they can end up bowling full toss.. However, if they have practiced bowling with wet ball.. fast bowlers can bowl good balls by changing their grip.
    2. For spinners, grip is important... it will be very tough for them..
    3. Even for fielders.. it is tough due to ground and ball condition

    On the contrary, ball will be slightly heavier than day time due to dew. Batsmen needs to hit with extra power.. but it may not be a concern as players might have practiced with wet ball.

    friends.. plz correct me if anything is wrong :)
    Carbon_14munna219777namewtheld
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] 4984 Points
    @thebeautifulgame yes I used to wonder that too , when i was in school we were taught getting above 90% requires special preparation and it actually felt challenging(not sure what these students do, If its MCQ then no point in thinking) and we used to have long answers question 

    I am from SSC board(Maharashtra state) , even in those times when CBSE schools were still in lesser numbers we SSC students used to think its extraordinary and more tough.. 

    IMO if scoring 90% is that easy then pattern should be made more challenging 

    still any idea since when MCQ started exactly? 
  • atuljgatuljg Trivandrum3983 Points
    MCQs are fast becoming the global standard for all examinations. If you think that there's no thinking to answer an MCQ, you're wrong!

    In theory exams, you cannot avoid the bias shown by some examiners. Some will be lenient and some will be downright heartless. MCQ s only maintain the standard of evaluation amongst all candidates.

    But when it comes to MCQs, we Indians are prone to ask one liners for examinations which defeats the purpose. For eg, names of scientists, year, etc are commonly asked by Indian examiners. In West, they test the concepts only.
    deepuDeb_Banmunna219777BrainFallINDIA
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] 4984 Points
    so what happens if candidate gets 475 /500 by real knowledge and other 24 marks by randomly guessing , of course odds are less but that can happen too.
    my point is in MCQ , one cant understand if student has actually got the concept in certain scenarios, if we consider bias factor in long answer then there should be mix up of both

    see, imagine you are in 12th you get 89% which is not bad at all, but any outsider can ask this question whats so special? 94k students got above 90%, that factor where getting 90% was an achievement is gone and if so many students are able to crack that step then its relatively easy if not cake walk


  • atuljgatuljg Trivandrum3983 Points
    Correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t think they’re asking 100% MCQs now for board exams. Maybe around 10%. 

    @shanks_dehighliving That’s why there is negative marking for all standard MCQ examinations.
    [Deleted User]munna219777BrainFallINDIA
  • Deb_BanDeb_Ban 9964 Points
    edited May 2019
    @atuljg, you are right, but as @shanks_dehighlivinghas mentioned guesswork is to be factored in when we evaluate different systems. Teachers also tend to ask superficial questions that do not test the students' knowledge, so the purpose is defeated. Also, in India, there is a thing called 'hall collection' which is easier in MCQ system.

    I also used to think CBSE Board students are special as most score 90%+, but found out most of them shallow, or at best, upto my level, when pitted against them.
    [Deleted User]munna219777
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] 4984 Points
    edited May 2019
    Yes negative marking is sort of solution
    And  when we consider upsc exam or IIT exam there ppl don't get such high % that easily so it definitely matters how they set papers 
  • munna219777munna219777 28505 Points

    Your reasoning is Correct but I would say Fielding First. As Fielding / Bowling under Dew is disadvantageous and it will come in the second half, better do fielding first. As you said, Batting with extra power can be practised and Dhoni can choose to Bat later on. So Fielding first !!

    Nagendra
  • munna219777munna219777 28505 Points
    CBSE papers and marking have changed over the years. I am from CBSE Board. In my time, it was almost impossible to get such marks. Subjects like English, Hindi, Social Science - even getting an 80 would have been considered a great achievement.

    If my memory is correct, every subject was like 3 Hour Duration. I am talking about Class 10 and Class 12 Board Examination. We used to get around 35 Questions to answer. Some Questions were 1 marks like Fill in the blanks, Match the Folowing. Some were short answers 2 marks. Questions of 3 and 4 marks required serious writing. 5 marks questions used to be the hardest. They are the ones whom back-benchers used to leave completely due to shortage of time.

    If you have an Essay to write for 5 marks in English or Hindi, you are not going to get more then 3 / 5 in it.
    The amount of writing and filling of pages we used to do was insane if I think now. In Hindi, for a 3 marks question, we used to get 4 lines of Raskhan, Bihari, Surdas and then we had to describe it in प्रसंग, व्याख्या, भावार्थ.  We used to write 4 pages describing those 4 lines and if we were lucky, we would get 2 out of 3.


    For MCQs, More then one correct choice coupled with Negative marking can reduce the amount of marks scored. But Students, atleast in school level, should be checked in every aspect.

    Institutions like BITS Pilani used to give admissions on the basis of Class 12 Results. As CBSE students used to get less marks then many other State Boards, they used to have separate Merit List for each Board and standardise it by what each Board Topper achieved.
    If you read interview of successful IAS / Civil Service aspirants, all of them would recommend reading NCERT Books for Prelims - no matter which Board or stream you come from.

    Commercialisation of education due to Coaching factories, private engineering colleges / universities in every galli-nukkad has brought standard down - not only in india but even in western countries.
    Now "everyone is a winner"  and "Dont say anything" is the philosophy !!!








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