> Joyptan said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
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> YOU ARE NOT A KID!!!!! YOU AN ADULT!!!
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> Yes, i'm an adult thats why i care for every I-league match. And Yes i'm not any "kid" who whould just care for the matches of the club(s) which he/she souport.
Weird considering I am a kid and I care for every match in various leagues around the world. Plus I dont even have a club in India which I support.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Domnic said:
> > @kid. ONGC on a bull run. I think they'll finish in top 6. How can Aiff tjrow them out now.
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Because off the field they still fail an important regulation. The on-field performance is not the only thing that matters.
Okay but I believe with no relegation-Pailan Arrows also fail AFC regulations. Also I think that no relegation is promised to so called Corporate clubs. I have a feeling that AIFF will fail to get corporate clubs and ONGC will be reinstated. Lets see how AIFF twists the rules once Mohun Bagan and United Sikkim fiish at bottom two.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > > Domnic said:
> > > @kid. ONGC on a bull run. I think they'll finish in top 6. How can Aiff tjrow them out now.
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Because off the field they still fail an important regulation. The on-field performance is not the only thing that matters.
Okay but I believe with no relegation-Pailan Arrows also fail AFC regulations. Also I think that no relegation is promised to so called Corporate clubs. I have a feeling that AIFF will fail to get corporate clubs and ONGC will be reinstated. Lets see how AIFF twists the rules once Mohun Bagan and United Sikkim fiish at bottom two.
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Promotion/Relegation is not a must by the AFC. Pro/Rel does not even matter that much. People just bring it up because football would not be football without promotion/relegation.
Look at these two corporates coming up. Do you think they would actually come in to the I-League and actually spend money on there team if they knew there was a chance to be relegated and all the investment going to waste no.
You are just like all those other pro/rel fanboys who think that football is nothing with pro/rel when really people are starting to open their eyes about it and see that pro/rel is a very delicate thing that needs to be taken care of so to into financial abyss.
But no, the fans don't care because at the end of the day it is about the on-field going ons. Football is a business now. The time of pro/rel is reaching a low point where people are now thinking about it.
Even the foreign Premier League owners want it gone. The Premier League wont do it because of marketing reasons and instead are implementing roster rules which after 2 years have proven to not work.
Just realize the challenges that are associated with this grievous system and maybe Indian football can move on.
These are two different schools of thought. I believe that if a club plays well-it will not be relegated. If not then some other club will get a chance.
This idea that some franchise owner will start a club only if you give them a guarantee that they will not be relegated is Typical American way of doing business. Owner is king in that country-fans pay higher ticket prices, Cable TV/ESPN costs maximum there and salary of MLS players is low.
Either all clubs are franchisee no relegation babies -this mix-match with fan based clubs like Mohun Bagan, Goa family owned like Churchill Brothers, corporate club will be weird experiment. Just imagine-shillong Lajong defeats corporate club 10-0-but at the end of I-League Shillong Lajong may be relegated while corporate will survive.
> munna21977 said:
> We need clubs like Pune FC, not some corporate on crutches of no relegation.
But we dont and if you look at the 2nd Division clubs none of them are close. Just face it, we have no clubs below I-League that can lead us long-term. It is just not viable. We thought that with United Sikkim but look at how that has turned out. Barely any fans go to the games anymore in Sikkim.
I agree this is stupid and honestly I dont think that either AIFF or IMG is making the right decision. This IMG-League is a crap idea as the fans will just follow that and look away from the I-League (they will, just like those American soccer fans who will turn out in numbers for Barcelona or Manchester United when they play here in the summer but then once they are gone, it is back to "real soccer"). While the corporate idea is fucked up as well but at least these corporates will spend (expected). And again, they wont come if they could be relegated. That is money down the drain.
I see your point of view but it is just not viable.
maybe no pro/rel for next 2 yrs for every ileague club would do the tricks n the corporates would have more than enough time to build teams which wont finish last
> munna21977 said:
> These are two different schools of thought. I believe that if a club plays well-it will not be relegated. If not then some other club will get a chance.
This idea that some franchise owner will start a club only if you give them a guarantee that they will not be relegated is Typical American way of doing business. Owner is king in that country-fans pay higher ticket prices, Cable TV/ESPN costs maximum there and salary of MLS players is low.
Either all clubs are franchisee no relegation babies -this mix-match with fan based clubs like Mohun Bagan, Goa family owned like Churchill Brothers, corporate club will be weird experiment. Just imagine-shillong Lajong defeats corporate club 10-0-but at the end of I-League Shillong Lajong may be relegated while corporate will survive.
Franchises are not only an American thing. The United States does it mainly but it is seen elsewhere in Australia, New Zealand, even in England you see it. England even has a cricket league, the Friends Life t20 where there is no pro/rel. Even in India it is happening. It is not just the IPL or HIL but you also have the Golf Premier League and i1 Super Series. And there will be plenty more in the future.
India is an emerging sports market which is a enigma because no one knows if you can invest in it and come out with a profit. That is why I like the franchise model here. It makes sense. You regulate where the teams come from, if it is a viable market. You can also set specific roster rules and salary caps. And there is more of a chance of a profit if it works well.
Look at Indian football right now. Are you telling me that you are happy with the current I-League? Are you happy with the I-League 2nd Division? I am telling you right now that Indian football will never improve domestically if we continue in this fashion. We will never progress. We never make the World Cup. We will always be that country which sleeps for many years, never to be opened.
Now I dont know about you, but I dont want to hear the East Bengal front office talk about how they dont have much money to fly for AFC Cup games and how they dont have enough money to rent the Salt Lake Stadium for AFC Cup matches. I dont want to hear about how clubs are not giving players there salaries. I dont want to hear about crappy owners or crappy motifs in the I-League anymore. I dont to hear about how this team now has a sponsorship with this company and the name of the club is "Company Team FC".
I had it, it will not work, it is not viable. Look anywhere in football and that will be the reality. In India we have been going with a free system, with no salary caps, pro/rel, and basically giving the teams all the freedom they want and look at where that has gotten us. While every league in the world is growing, India is staying behind.
It is obvious that a change is needed and a franchise model, in my opinion, will work. Have companies bid for 8 teams, make sure they are in viable markets, add specific roster rules, force the clubs to have a U21 and U18 team, have these teams have marquee's and I dont mean big ones like the Beckham's or Del Pirlo's but the Pegoy's or Culina's. Guys who are levels above ours.
This has a history of working and it would not hurt. If it fails then I will be the one who will be at fault... but I dont think it would, I think it would be very successful. Something to push us forward and bring us to a new level.
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> Joyptan said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
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> YOU ARE NOT A KID!!!!! YOU AN ADULT!!!
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> Yes, i'm an adult thats why i care for every I-league match. And Yes i'm not any "kid" who whould just care for the matches of the club(s) which he/she souport.
> Arsenalkid700 said:
> > Domnic said:
> > @kid. ONGC on a bull run. I think they'll finish in top 6. How can Aiff tjrow them out now.
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Okay but I believe with no relegation-Pailan Arrows also fail AFC regulations. Also I think that no relegation is promised to so called Corporate clubs.
I have a feeling that AIFF will fail to get corporate clubs and ONGC will be reinstated. Lets see how AIFF twists the rules once Mohun Bagan and United Sikkim fiish at bottom two.
AIFF have apointed 2 politicions to help them twist ruls to save
USFC
and MB. Politicions are very good at twisting rules.
> munna21977 said:
> > Arsenalkid700 said:
> > > Domnic said:
> > > @kid. ONGC on a bull run. I think they'll finish in top 6. How can Aiff tjrow them out now.
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Okay but I believe with no relegation-Pailan Arrows also fail AFC regulations. Also I think that no relegation is promised to so called Corporate clubs.
I have a feeling that AIFF will fail to get corporate clubs and ONGC will be reinstated. Lets see how AIFF twists the rules once Mohun Bagan and United Sikkim fiish at bottom two.
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These are two different schools of thought. I believe that if a club plays well-it will not be relegated. If not then some other club will get a chance.
This idea that some franchise owner will start a club only if you give them a guarantee that they will not be relegated is Typical American way of doing business. Owner is king in that country-fans pay higher ticket prices, Cable TV/ESPN costs maximum there and salary of MLS players is low.
Either all clubs are franchisee no relegation babies -this mix-match with fan based clubs like Mohun Bagan, Goa family owned like Churchill Brothers, corporate club will be weird experiment. Just imagine-shillong Lajong defeats corporate club 10-0-but at the end of I-League Shillong Lajong may be relegated while corporate will survive.
@munna21977 Then those corporate clubs will show lajong this ( :P )
We need clubs like Pune FC, not some corporate on crutches of no relegation.
> munna21977 said:
> We need clubs like Pune FC, not some corporate on crutches of no relegation.
maybe no pro/rel for next 2 yrs for every ileague club would do the tricks n the corporates would have more than enough time to build teams which wont finish last
> munna21977 said:
> These are two different schools of thought. I believe that if a club plays well-it will not be relegated. If not then some other club will get a chance.
This idea that some franchise owner will start a club only if you give them a guarantee that they will not be relegated is Typical American way of doing business. Owner is king in that country-fans pay higher ticket prices, Cable TV/ESPN costs maximum there and salary of MLS players is low.
Either all clubs are franchisee no relegation babies -this mix-match with fan based clubs like Mohun Bagan, Goa family owned like Churchill Brothers, corporate club will be weird experiment. Just imagine-shillong Lajong defeats corporate club 10-0-but at the end of I-League Shillong Lajong may be relegated while corporate will survive.