Sunil Chhetri

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  • And you say I am talking nonsense! You just proved my point further! Sunil has lost his touch. He has turned into the Nicklas Bendtner of India, a good forward with lots of potential but then gives in to his fame and starts slacking. Sunil should have went to Shillong, Pune, or Prayag. He needs games. Even now his chances of making it onto Rangers FC are almost destroyed. Over the summer he needs to move. I respect Mohun Bagan but they are not right for Sunil. Once again, he was with Prayag last season and in 7 games Sunil scored 7 goals. This season its 3 goals in around 10 games. WTF! Even if he was injured that is no excuse.
  • I didn't say you(arsenalfan) talks nonsense, I meant Chetri. Without you, this board will loose half its sheen, I sincerely hope Sunil Chetri takes a cue from your enthusiasm and at least makes himself available to play. Man, he has been doing such funny stuff all this season. You tell me who is not giving him games, what can the coaching staff do even he is never available, they are crying hoarse that he is never available, all the fans here are seriously pissed with his lack of commitment and professionalism. Even a totally match unfit (but physically fit) Sunil was started in the Southern Samity game followed by the derby where he got his second booking and tell me how. He kicked a ball out of the pitch after the referee ordered a free kick, now isn't this childish, more so when you already have one yellow card to your credit. More than his game, I am disgusted with his mannerisms, especially his continuous talk of going abroad, that he needs to learn more and that can happen only abroad, tujhe abroad jana hai, to jana bhai, itna bar lecture dene ka nahi. I also don't think at his age and given the busy playing schedule, much can be added to his skillbase, if that was true foreign coaches like Trevor Morgan would have turned players like Susant Mathews, Harmanjot Khabra into technically correct players, who have not improved even an inch after training close to a couple years under Trevor. He will have better infrastructure for sure abroad but these days infrastructure is definitely not bad in Calcutta, more so with the new government. YBK is getting state of the art floodlights, the teams have been given 1 crore each by the state government to improve infrastructure, everyone is trying with whatever limited resources they have. One needs to be positive rather than constantly lecture Indians about abroad and all the wonderful learning he will get there. I have lived abroad for a decade and travel frequently, so abroad is nothing special to me, I don't take that shit from him.

    later,
  • I didn't say you(arsenalfan) talks nonsense, I meant Chetri. Without you, this board will loose half its sheen, I sincerely hope Sunil Chetri takes a cue from your enthusiasm and at least makes himself available to play. Man, he has been doing such funny stuff all this season. You tell me who is not giving him games, what can the coaching staff do even he is never available, they are crying hoarse that he is never available, all the fans here are seriously pissed with his lack of commitment and professionalism. Even a totally match unfit (but physically fit) Sunil was started in the Southern Samity game followed by the derby where he got his second booking and tell me how. He kicked a ball out of the pitch after the referee ordered a free kick, now isn't this childish, more so when you already have one yellow card to your credit. More than his game, I am disgusted with his mannerisms, especially his continuous talk of going abroad, that he needs to learn more and that can happen only abroad, tujhe abroad jana hai, to jana bhai, itna bar lecture dene ka nahi. I also don't think at his age and given the busy playing schedule, much can be added to his skillbase, if that was true foreign coaches like Trevor Morgan would have turned players like Susant Mathews, Harmanjot Khabra into technically correct players, who have not improved even an inch after training close to a couple years under Trevor. He will have better infrastructure for sure abroad but these days infrastructure is definitely not bad in Calcutta, more so with the new government. YBK is getting state of the art floodlights, the teams have been given 1 crore each by the state government to improve infrastructure, everyone is trying with whatever limited resources they have. One needs to be positive rather than constantly lecture Indians about abroad and all the wonderful learning he will get there. I have lived abroad for a decade and travel frequently, so abroad is nothing special to me, I don't take that shit from him.

    later,

    <!-- s:bow-plusone: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bow/plusone.gif" alt=":bow-plusone:" title="PlusOne" /><!-- s:bow-plusone: --> I agree with you on this. Sunil at 27 should just be focusing on getting game time here. He also should keep in mind that if India qualify for the 2015 AFC Asian Cup that he will be 30-31 then and that will be to old for him to start and with India getting better he must buck up his ideas. I hope that he can join United Sikkim, Pune, Prayag, Shillong, or even Mumbai as he can seriously be looked at as a role model, icon and big player on those teams.
  • I have a hunch(and it's a hunch) that you are not aware of a lot of the news which understandably is difficult living in the US. I had similar challenges. Sunil started the season off miserably and until the first leg Mumbai FC game where he directed that wonderful header into the net, he was such an eyesore ardent admirers of him like you would never believe, so no use arguing on that. In that phase Odafa gave him so many wonderful passes, he made such mess of those, wasted gilt edged chances which cost the team dear. You must remember Odafa is always marked by three players (yes, three) and two come rushing for cover once he gets the ball, so five in total. On the other hand, Chetri is allowed a hell lot of leeway which has to happen if Odafa is half the team is sticking like glue to Odafa, this is common sense. Chetri won't get such an opportunity ever IN ANY TEAM. Let him go to Sikkim United FC which I am pretty sure he won't because Sikkim does not have the wherewithal to pay him 1 crore. If he does, he would be the main striker and would be heavily guarded by foreign defenders like Opara, Keita, Bello Rasaq and the whole list you name it. There is huge criticism of Mohun Bagan officials on every forum, facebook group because they haven't recruited a foreign defender and have trusted Anwar Ali with the job who as expected is making a complete mess of it given his extremely limited abilities as a defender ( a big zero in aerial balls in spite of being a six footer, cannot slide and tackle, not strong enough to hold foreign strikers at bay, most recently a very average striker like Friday could hold Anwar off, the first goal MB conceded in the Mumbai FC match was entirely Anwar's fault if you take into consideration the debutant left back Deepak who incidentally hails from the same state did not cover but given his inexperience and age, Anwar should have guided him better). It will be an unwritten rule further on that every I league club will have an African big bodied defender, might not technically the most correct but will beat the shit out of you so much that any striker feels intimidated.

    Getting back to Sunil, then in the Churchill game the goal he scored was more Felix's fault than his credit. Then he went and played for the national team where in the finals he got injured and then Mohun Bagan had to take care of all his medical costs at Medica, a premier medical institute in Kolkata, complete rehabilitation by Jonathan Corner. So you think it's ok that Indian clubs spend a fortune on his salary, medical expenses but he keeps on playing for the national team which will better showcase his performance to the agents and managers abroad. I am sorry I'll have to say you are being very unfair in your judgement, not seeing for yourself, your blind faith in whatever Chetri says is blinding you to all the good work the Calcutta clubs do behind the scenes AND VERY QUIETLY SO and still have to face criticism from ungrateful folks like Sunil Chetri. Please get your facts completely right before you idolize Sunil chetri for what he is and every now and then, criticize Calcutta clubs for being the most unprofessional entities on the face of earth. In my own humble opinion, having accepted that Calcutta clubs are unprofessional (compared to the big European teams), players like Chetri and Anwar Ali are way more unprofessional than Calcutta clubs. In Calcutta, everyone associated with the football scene have lots of emotions, people like chetri are neither professional nor have any emotional attachment to the club. They are typical jugaadu dhsnda paani players who are more into chamak dhamak than playing the game on the pitch.
  • Other than Odafa and Sunil Chhetri other strikers Mohun Bagan has are strictly mediocre..do you guys seriously think that Sunil Chhetri will be benched when fit? Especially in a team which is over dependent on one striker and perennially struggling with injuries ? Sunil has spent most of his time in Mohun Bagan either injured or in Indian camp. He has hardly done justice to the money spent on him..there are a lot of flaws in Mohun bagan this season but Sunil Chhetri's playing time in first XI is certainly not one. Odafa has ofte dropped down deeper to play passes to him but he rarely manages to reach them, forget converting. So don't blame Odafa either.
  • PLEASE PLEASE DON'T BLAME ODAFA FOR SUNIL CHETRI NOT GETTING GAME TIME. I have watched every game and can vouch for this with my life. Odafa has been the most generous passer this year and has been an absolute genius for the cause of the team. That 46th minute goal in the derby under that huge pressure(and this is nothing less than EPL pressure, not the skill, just the pressure) was such a genius of a goal that even Tolgay Ozbey right after the game very frankly conceded that's the best he has seen this season. Remember Tolgay plays for East Bengal, the bitter arch rivals and he can't help but praise Odafa. i am in all facebook groups of Calcutta clubs and everyone is so frustrated including the coaching staff that Sunil never makes himself available to play, instead keeps on marketing himself through the media. At the end of the first practice session a couple days after the derby, he started this marketing antic of putting shoes between goal posts and practising shots just to show the world how seriously he practices shooting even after the club practise time is over and he does that only one day. The whole media went gaga taking pictures but you can never do a Odafa like that.
  • Where did I say that the Kolkata clubs are unprofessional? Sure maybe in OCTOBER but recently I have been supporting you guys. Also I am not idolizing Sunil, I used to when he was at Kansas City then back with Prayag but now I have almost lost all faith in him. His professionalism has gone downhill. Injury problems are his own fault. The reason he is injured is because of all the travel he does and the little football he played (before September). He only played in 21 games last season. 14 of them with the National team. He is bound for injuries. What I am saying though is instead of going on about your dreams of playing abroad and all that why dont you stay with India. Join a smaller club like Pune and Prayag where the pressure is less and start being a role model for the upcoming youngsters. Instead he is doing this... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380830386916&set=a.10150380828441916.344519.45487126915&type=3&theater"; onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =3&theater</a><!-- m -->" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; while living an unprofessional life with Bagan.

    Also I am pretty informed for a guy in the US and UK. In fact I am probably more informed about Indian Football than 90% of India. Also you do know I dont just read, I also watch a lot of I-League games and state games when available and yes that does mean staying up till 5 am (Eastern Standard Time) sometimes means I never get sleep but I do it and I watch. So ya I am pretty informed and aware. The only I dont do is actually go to the games which is impossible but when I go to India I do go to games.

    Also Projenator your right, Odafe really deserves a lot more praise than Sunil but what you going to do. Our media is almost like the English one. You praise the local lad but not the foreigner.
  • Odafa gets enough praise and enough money, he has a 33rd floor lavish condo in South city towers overlooking the entire city scape, a luxury segment vehicle chauffered, all paid for and last but not the least more than 1.5 crore salary. Add to that the fanatic Kolkata emotions, fans carrying him on their shoulders all the way from the dressing room to the Volvo team bus after garlanding him. In Kolkata, it's plain and simple, you give us results, I give you everything you want.

    "What I am saying though is instead of going on about your dreams of playing abroad and all that why dont you stay with India."

    That's my opinion too and I am not asking him to play for smaller clubs where he won't get enough money for a no 1 striker of a country, no matter how low it's ranked by FIFA. He has been paid 1 crore, provided all facilities and please compare the results he is giving Calcutta fans as opposed to say Odafa. Now, after studying all facts and figures and the 10:30 sports news in the local channels, I don't find an iota of unprofessionalism in dealing with him. It might not be the national team cricketer's lifestyle, the likes of Tendulkar, Dhoni or Sehwag but I think he is getting more than enough back for the buck he dishes out in his trade. If he wanted that kind of lifestyle, he should have chosen cricket instead of football, didn't he pick up football because that's what he loves to do ? Money and lifestyle is not everything, it's important that you get to do what you love.

    As for you, I honestly think you are doing a wonderful job with your following of Indian football, we need more suave communicators like you to follow Indian football, please don't take it as criticism, it was just a hunch and I mentioned it repeatedly in the beginning
  • Sorry, forgot to add the intense pressure of expectations in Calcutta, the pressure to deliver every game. But tell me honestly, in top level of any game, where there is no pressure ? Does Dhoni not come under criticism if he gets out cheaply, are the national team cricketers under any less pressure, so why blame Calcutta fans if they put pressure on players to deliver. Its not that folks are inhuman here, in every MB facebook group, there is talk about how much beat Odafa is taking from rival defenders every game and that he be rested, so much outrage that Odafa is having to shoulder all the burden while Sunil is busy with his marketing antics. Right now all first team players of both MB and EB are taking a break until Feb 22, Barreto is vacationing in Goa, Odafa is lazing by the pool in his apartment complex here, it's not that players here are whipped if they don't score every match or don't play well every match. Jewel Raja is a huge youth icon here because his work rate in the team is so high, did he score a lot of goals ? No he didn't but people here understand footbal, they can understand that Jewel runs miles for the cause of the team, he is always near the ball, always in the TV picture frame, so every one is happy with him and clubs are fighting for him coming season, his price skyrocketing as a result.
    Today there's an excellent article of Trevor Morgan in one of the Bengali newspapers. Its a nicely written article stating upfront that while they don't claim Trevor to be any inferior than the ex player coaches here but he has this "I know it all" attitude and the typical British stiff upper lip which is not winning him many friends. KEB officials got Ranti for 1 crore but Morgan did not want him in the team. Morgan signed leko last season when all the officials felt leko was not the right choice but morgan thinks all indians are fools. Now in Calcutta, if you treat Indians shabbily and don't give desired results, you are going to have to leave, now is that unprofessional. Preparations are on to let him go and bring in Manuel Gomes. i don't think in the US, Indians can openly treat Americans shabbily in fact it's the reverse which sometimes happens.
  • It's not about seeking support or selling Calcutta football, I am trying my best to lay down the facts and figures because in Calcutta, no one cares to clarify when folks like Chetri or some of these British coaches give interviews bitching about Calcutta football to some of the suave English mags or websites.

    I outright concede that Calcutta clubs are unprofessional but I am benchmarking against some of the top European or Asian clubs but given the amount of emotions of the general public associated with the clubs, it's only natural that any change or effort to change to a more professional setup is painfully slow. I hope an anecdote will better explain things.
    A few days ago on the eve of the Mumbai FC game, Mohun Bagan inaugurated their new Volvo AC team bus with all the bells and whistles a top European club team bus would have. There was so drama around this, unimaginable anywhere in the west. None of the supporters would have it because they felt a Volvo AC bus is ominous since East Bengal lost their first game the players travelled on the bus, so calls started pouring in that the inauguration happen on a non match day. The officials got on public media requesting supporters not to get their superstitions in the way of the team bus inauguration but who cares ? The fans are such fanatics that if you don't give them a damn and go ahead with it, they will all land up in droves and start a dharna around the bus and these are not suave English speaking proper city Calcuttans. They will show up from remote villages and suburban towns and squat on the road surrounding the team bus, now if you want to call the cops to drive them away, it will become a huge issue in the state with the local media going berserk in their criticism of the arrogance of the officials and what not.

    Hope this explains the paranoia at least one bit. Now folks are going gaga over PLS, already one of the franchisee owner ( I think the Howrah Manchester team owner Rajnish Sharma, correct me if i'm wrong) has expressed grave disappointment with his ROI that Praful Patel wants every state to come up with this model. The franchisee owners want to include the rest of India and build a fan base all over India, they don't want other rival leagues to come up. Already franchisees are thinking of roping in big shots like john abraham or some international soccer star like Beckam to be their brand ambassador. In the districts and suburban areas, football has the lion's share of following compared to cricket. If you are in one of facebook groups of MB or EB, every half hour will show some five comments being posted, such is the following.

    Now coming back to the point that no one really cares what bad press Sunil Chetri or Bhaichung Bhutia or one of the British coaches give Calcutta football, so there is no effort to even clarify. Now that Trevor Morgan is being shown the door, I am pretty sure he is going to give an exit interview to some international channel as to how unprofessional the clubs are and the fans spit on him, they disallowed the players to enter the dressing room after they lost 4-1 to Aryans. But the other side of the story is his GRAVE AND CONSISTENT INABILITY to prove himself better than some of the ex player coaches like Subrata Bhattacharya or Aloke Mukherjee or Sanjoy Sen who are not very accessible to the international media and don't follow this international ways of making money through exit interviews and what have you. Trevor has won only one game this far against Subrata that too with the EB team of last year and Subrata had little known players playing in United, the team he was coaching then, the rest last year were all tied or won by Subrata. This year with MB, out of three derbies. Subrata has won two and drawn one. So, how is an Indian coach bad, you tell me ? just because his skin is dark and he can't speak English with an accent and his salary plus emoluments is half or shall I say one third of that of foreign coaches.
    Trevor made blunders persisting with Gow for so long even after medical reports showed he had muscle atrophy. Any time an African player, who are most suited to TOUGH INDIAN PLAYING CONDITIONS was proposed to Trevor, he rejected them on one pretext or the other and that includes proven players like Ranti Martins, Anyone would be a fool to tell me that Alan Gow would succeed much better in Indian football than Ranti Martins. Such is the hard headedness of foreign, especially British coaches have shown in Calcutta over the years. Karim was the only one most successful but again he got caught up way too much in the media attention and the accolades and once they dried up no sooner you start loosing a couple matches on the trot, he started complaining. To succeed in Calcutta, you need to be able to have good PR and handle the media well which is a requisite in all top clubs over the world. Trevor Morgan was professional with the media but he was proving to be way too predictable with his match reading after a year add to that failure to think under extreme pressure that is Calcutta football. In his defense, Morgan says that there is no substitute of Mehtab, Tolgay and Penn in the team but our question to him is what has he done then in the last two years he trained the rest of the players, what value has he added and if he has not, why will I pay thrice the salary to hire a foreign coach is what we wonder. If we have to develop academies, we will do that then, not pay foreign coaches big salaries, rather spend that money on building academies. the earlier those influential in Indian football and the suave followers of Indian football understand this without any skepticism, the sooner will be the glory days of indian football.
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