Commonwealth games 28 July to 8 August (Birmingham)
Asian games
10 September to 25 September (Hangzhou)
World cup Football
21 November to 18 December (Qatar)
Athletics world championship in 2022 from 15th July to 24th July will also be keenly watched due to Neeraj Chopra and he needs to touch 90 there else Vetter and others might not miss it everytime.
Also, ever improving Avinash Sable and Kamalpreet Kaur will be watched too.
Medal count: 2008 : 3 medals including 1 gold 2012 : 6 medals with 2 silver 2016 : 2 medals with 1 silver 2020 : So far 5 medals with 2 silver. As you mentioned, let's hope we win 2 more medals and it would be best medal count. I would be happy if at-least 1 of them is Gold
As you were hoping for, we got our best medal count.
Still, 5 medals is awesome, with potential for 4 more (women's hockey, Neeraj Chopra, Aditi Ashok and Bajrang Punia). If we can convert even 2 of those 4, it's still an improvement over London and our best performance ever. Improvement is going to be slow. I'm just hoping we hit 7 in Tokyo, 10 in Paris, 12 in LA, 15 in Brisbane. At that rate, we'll surely get to 30 medals before I die
So we hit the 7 medal count this time. I feel very optimistic for Paris because of the age of our best athletes. See below: Medal winners: Chopra 23 Chanu 27 Dahiya 23 Bajrang Punia 27 Sindhu 26 Borgohain 23 Near misses: Ashok 23 Kamalpreet Kaur 25 Deepak Punia 22
Others with potential: Rankireddy/Shetty 20/24 (they beat the gold medalists) Phogat 26 Sonam Malik 18 Anshu Malik 20
The shooting and archery squads disappointed but look at their ages (and the number of #1 and #2 rankings); they'll be back in 2024 with a better performance Shooting: Panwar 18 (#2) Bhaker 19 (#2) Saurabh Chaudhary 19 (#2) Tomar 20 (#2) Valairavan 22 (#1) Yadav 23 Deswal 24 (#1) Bajwa 25 Maudgil 27 Chandela 28 Sarnobat 30 (#2) Verma 32 (#1)
At a minimum ranking indicates a level of consistency. What they need to focus on now is mental health and composure under pressure.
Archery: Deepika Kumari 27 Das 29 Jadhav 25
Both hockey teams were young too.
All in all, Paris 2024 should be an improvement over the 7 we got here (and i'm happy with the 7).
I think we are giving too much importance to age and want to repeat the same squad again and again.
Sport is all about performance and may the best player represent India- in every sport.
It is not about player. Country is represented.
Take Boxing for example. Other then Lovelina, it was an embarassing performance.
Why are we still pushing Vikas Krishan and Shiva Thapa in Boxing - it is 10 years with them now !!!
Babyrojisana Chanu (51kg), Arundhati Choudhary (69kg), Sanamacha Chanu (75kg), Ankit Narwal (64kg), Vishal Gupta (91kg), Bishwamitra Chongtham (49kg) Sachin (56kg) Naman Tanwar 91 kg Kavinder Bisht, Solanki. Some other young boxers are coming from Manipur.
Same in Shooting, Archery. Give chance to new talent.
Use upcoming Asian Games and Commonwealth Games
Even if a 17 year old wins a Gold Medal for China, his / her place is not guaranteed. China will send a 16 year old next time who will be better player !!!
Use Nationals to send best player for easiest Qualifying route.
Another way to tally improvement over the years is ranking in total medals or true ranking (# of golds, # of silvers & # of bronze). Year, Olympics, Ranking by GSB, Ranking by total medal count, Medals 1996, Barcelona, 71, 71 (1B) 2000, Sydney, 71, 71 (1B) 2004, Athens, 65, 68 (1S) 2008, Beijing, 51, 52 (1G, 3B) 2012, London, 57, 38 (2S, 4B) 2016, Rio, 67, 64, (1S, 1B) 2020 Tokyo, 48, 36 (1G, 2S, 4B)
Finally, a look at where we stand right now compared to some other countries. I'm looking at the true ranking (GSB) for this. First off, Asian countries: 1) China (2) 2) Japan (3) 3) S. Korea (16) 4) Iran (27) 5) Uzbekistan (32) 6) Taiwan (34) 7) Qatar (41, 2 Gold and 1 Bronze) 8) India (48)
This is about where India performs in the Asian games, with Qatar usually a bit behind us, having made progress because of the success of their imports (and now kids of imports).
African countries ahead of us 1) Kenya (19) 2) Uganda (36)
Other non-white countries (mostly a proxy for rich countries) ahead of us 1) Brazil (12) 2) Cuba (14) 3) Jamaica (21) 4) Ecuador (38) 5) Bahamas (42) 6) Venezuela (46)
A bunch of these countries fall behind us if we use total medal count. Only China, Japan, Brazil, S. Korea, Cuba, Taiwan, Kenya, Jamaica and Iran remain (and Kazakstan gets added - 8 total medals but 0 golds) to the list.
I'd like us to get to the top 20 in terms of total medals by LA (Paris is only 3 years away, so too close for there to be a big change). At Tokyo that would have needed 13 medals. I see us getting there by LA. If we need to get there in terms of GSB ranking, we'd have needed 4 Golds and 2 silvers. I don't see us doing that until we specialize in a couple of sports (Shooting seems the best bet to me), but i don't see us providing the level of training, research and support that would require.
Breaking into the top 10 would have required 33 medals in Tokyo. That requires sending a far larger squad, and an improvement in sports we only have a token presence in (or no presence) now (swimming, diving, gymnastics - artistic and rhythmic, fencing, team sports, etc). Not something i see for 30 years at least.
Use Nationals to send best player for easiest Qualifying route.
Does this not automatically happen in every sport? I know it happened in wrestling (that's how Sakshi Malike was ousted), and in athletics, individual athletes qualify based on their performance. Based on Bad's updates on this thread, I thought this was the case for Shooting too. Maybe at some point we'll have so many qualify in one sport that we'll hit the national quota and will have to pick and choose but that's not the case now. How are the squads picked for Archery and Boxing for the qualifying tournaments?
This article has done well in explaining the Ranking myth and how the entry into Core Group for Olympics was closed in 2020 itself for other shooters. This makes the Bench strength and latest National Championship redundant if you select core group one year in advance irrespective of current form, this debacle is not surprising.
This article has done well in explaining the Ranking myth and how the entry into Core Group for Olympics was closed in 2020 itself for other shooters. This makes the Bench strength and latest National Championship redundant if you select core group one year in advance irrespective of current form, this debacle is not surprising.
Interesting take, but it doesn't suggest that nepotism or favoritism was at play, more like mismanagement and lack of creativity. I've heard of good things about the Shooting Federation, though, especially with respect to integrating junior shooters. And, I do think this crop (and others who will hopefully have a platform again now that Covid is looking like it's behind us) will spring back in 2022 with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove.
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Also, ever improving Avinash Sable and Kamalpreet Kaur will be watched too.
So we hit the 7 medal count this time. I feel very optimistic for Paris because of the age of our best athletes. See below:
Medal winners:
Chopra 23
Chanu 27
Dahiya 23
Bajrang Punia 27
Sindhu 26
Borgohain 23
Near misses:
Ashok 23
Kamalpreet Kaur 25
Deepak Punia 22
Others with potential:
Rankireddy/Shetty 20/24 (they beat the gold medalists)
Phogat 26
Sonam Malik 18
Anshu Malik 20
The shooting and archery squads disappointed but look at their ages (and the number of #1 and #2 rankings); they'll be back in 2024 with a better performance
Shooting:
Panwar 18 (#2)
Bhaker 19 (#2)
Saurabh Chaudhary 19 (#2)
Tomar 20 (#2)
Valairavan 22 (#1)
Yadav 23
Deswal 24 (#1)
Bajwa 25
Maudgil 27
Chandela 28
Sarnobat 30 (#2)
Verma 32 (#1)
At a minimum ranking indicates a level of consistency. What they need to focus on now is mental health and composure under pressure.
Archery:
Deepika Kumari 27
Das 29
Jadhav 25
Both hockey teams were young too.
All in all, Paris 2024 should be an improvement over the 7 we got here (and i'm happy with the 7).
Year, Olympics, Ranking by GSB, Ranking by total medal count, Medals
1996, Barcelona, 71, 71 (1B)
2000, Sydney, 71, 71 (1B)
2004, Athens, 65, 68 (1S)
2008, Beijing, 51, 52 (1G, 3B)
2012, London, 57, 38 (2S, 4B)
2016, Rio, 67, 64, (1S, 1B)
2020 Tokyo, 48, 36 (1G, 2S, 4B)
First off, Asian countries:
1) China (2)
2) Japan (3)
3) S. Korea (16)
4) Iran (27)
5) Uzbekistan (32)
6) Taiwan (34)
7) Qatar (41, 2 Gold and 1 Bronze)
8) India (48)
This is about where India performs in the Asian games, with Qatar usually a bit behind us, having made progress because of the success of their imports (and now kids of imports).
African countries ahead of us
1) Kenya (19)
2) Uganda (36)
Other non-white countries (mostly a proxy for rich countries) ahead of us
1) Brazil (12)
2) Cuba (14)
3) Jamaica (21)
4) Ecuador (38)
5) Bahamas (42)
6) Venezuela (46)
A bunch of these countries fall behind us if we use total medal count. Only China, Japan, Brazil, S. Korea, Cuba, Taiwan, Kenya, Jamaica and Iran remain (and Kazakstan gets added - 8 total medals but 0 golds) to the list.
I'd like us to get to the top 20 in terms of total medals by LA (Paris is only 3 years away, so too close for there to be a big change). At Tokyo that would have needed 13 medals. I see us getting there by LA. If we need to get there in terms of GSB ranking, we'd have needed 4 Golds and 2 silvers. I don't see us doing that until we specialize in a couple of sports (Shooting seems the best bet to me), but i don't see us providing the level of training, research and support that would require.
Breaking into the top 10 would have required 33 medals in Tokyo. That requires sending a far larger squad, and an improvement in sports we only have a token presence in (or no presence) now (swimming, diving, gymnastics - artistic and rhythmic, fencing, team sports, etc). Not something i see for 30 years at least.
https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/other/indian-shooters-fire-blanks-as-medal-myth-breaks-at-tokyo-olympics-723328
This article has done well in explaining the Ranking myth and how the entry into Core Group for Olympics was closed in 2020 itself for other shooters. This makes the Bench strength and latest National Championship redundant if you select core group one year in advance irrespective of current form, this debacle is not surprising.