Sponsored named clubs verses City/State named clubs
Arsenalkid700
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USING FACEBOOK!
Yes I have gone crazy and have created a thread that will compare how many fans a corporate named team has compared to a city/state named team using Facebook fan pages. Really this is the only way to know.
Corporate Named Teams and how many fans (Note I added 2nd Division teams who played in the Fed Cup 2011):
Air India FC (3 Facebook pages dedicated to them with 300 likes per) - 900 fans
Chirag United Club Kerala (combined with the Facebook page for Viva) - 780 fans
Churchill Brothers (5 pages dedicated to them with 100-200 likes per - 1114 fans
Dempo SC (4 pages dedicated to them) - 2595 fans
HAL SC (3 pages) - 267 fans
East Bengal (3 real pages) - 23000 fans
Mohun Bagan (2 real pages) - 30000 fans
Pailan Arrows (3 pages) - 405 fans
Prayag United (1 page) - 20 fans
Salgaocar SC (2 pages) - 410 fans
Ar-Hima (2 pages) (not corporate but still no state/city reps) - 158 fans
Southern Samity (4 pages) (same as Ar-Hima) - 210 fans
ONGC FC (1 page) - 105 fans
City/State Named Teams and how many fans (I added 2nd Division teams from the 2011 Fed Cup):
Mumbai FC (4 pages) - 4000 fans
Pune FC (1 page) - 27,871 fans
Shillong Lajong (1 page) - 7000 fans
Sporting Goa (1 page) - 1500 fans
Vasco SC (1 page) - 25 fans
Royal Wahingdoh FC (1 page) - 832 fans
United Sikkim FC (1 page) - 1797 fans
Not Decided:
I don't know where to put Mohammedan SC under this list but after 1 page they had 18 fans.
So there is a difference:
In the corporate named section only 4 clubs out of 13 clubs have more than 1000 fans while only 2 have over 10,000 fans.
In the state/city named section 7 of the 9 clubs had over 1000 fans (not the 2 that did not are 2nd Division clubs) while 1 out of the 9 has over 10,000 fans.
And YES this post was to put out another point about how much state/city named clubs is better and needed in Indian Football.
Also before anyone says so, this thread/post is fine. It is about the I-League, fans, and owners. It also talks about how we could make it better and where the problems are.
Please provide your feed back of what you think about this.
Yes I have gone crazy and have created a thread that will compare how many fans a corporate named team has compared to a city/state named team using Facebook fan pages. Really this is the only way to know.
Corporate Named Teams and how many fans (Note I added 2nd Division teams who played in the Fed Cup 2011):
Air India FC (3 Facebook pages dedicated to them with 300 likes per) - 900 fans
Chirag United Club Kerala (combined with the Facebook page for Viva) - 780 fans
Churchill Brothers (5 pages dedicated to them with 100-200 likes per - 1114 fans
Dempo SC (4 pages dedicated to them) - 2595 fans
HAL SC (3 pages) - 267 fans
East Bengal (3 real pages) - 23000 fans
Mohun Bagan (2 real pages) - 30000 fans
Pailan Arrows (3 pages) - 405 fans
Prayag United (1 page) - 20 fans
Salgaocar SC (2 pages) - 410 fans
Ar-Hima (2 pages) (not corporate but still no state/city reps) - 158 fans
Southern Samity (4 pages) (same as Ar-Hima) - 210 fans
ONGC FC (1 page) - 105 fans
City/State Named Teams and how many fans (I added 2nd Division teams from the 2011 Fed Cup):
Mumbai FC (4 pages) - 4000 fans
Pune FC (1 page) - 27,871 fans
Shillong Lajong (1 page) - 7000 fans
Sporting Goa (1 page) - 1500 fans
Vasco SC (1 page) - 25 fans
Royal Wahingdoh FC (1 page) - 832 fans
United Sikkim FC (1 page) - 1797 fans
Not Decided:
I don't know where to put Mohammedan SC under this list but after 1 page they had 18 fans.
So there is a difference:
In the corporate named section only 4 clubs out of 13 clubs have more than 1000 fans while only 2 have over 10,000 fans.
In the state/city named section 7 of the 9 clubs had over 1000 fans (not the 2 that did not are 2nd Division clubs) while 1 out of the 9 has over 10,000 fans.
And YES this post was to put out another point about how much state/city named clubs is better and needed in Indian Football.
Also before anyone says so, this thread/post is fine. It is about the I-League, fans, and owners. It also talks about how we could make it better and where the problems are.
Please provide your feed back of what you think about this.
Comments
on any day its the city/stae based clubs which is gonna bring us some new fans to the ground not this age-old structure....my vote for city based clucbs forming a league
first of all, arsenal boy, hatts off u...!! a really must needed thread to be in this forum!! <!-- s:bow-yellow: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bow/yellow.gif" alt=":bow-yellow:" title="Yellow" /><!-- s:bow-yellow: --> <!-- s:clap: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" title="Clap" /><!-- s:clap: --> <!-- s:handgestures-salute: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/handgestures/salute.gif" alt=":handgestures-salute:" title="Salute" /><!-- s:handgestures-salute: -->
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Ya I know! The current system is off geographically. Right now I want Indian Football to be ALMOST like English Football. By almost I mean league, cups, formats, calendar, aiff all like what they have in England. The thing I don't want India to be like though with England is geography.
In England you have
5 teams from London
3 teams from the Birmingham area
and 6 from the Manchester & Liverpool area
That is 14 out of 20 teams in 3 areas BUT that can work in England because of how small it is and the support overall for football along with the geography scattered second division. Yet here in India due to our size that would never work. Look at the fans, the stadiums, the revenue, LOOK AT OUR PLACE IN WORLD FOOTBALL! There is a reason for us being low and that is the 8 out of 14 clubs in 2 states out of 28 states. Also it is not much different in our "2nd Division" if you can even call it that.
Right now during the 2011 I-League 2nd Division...
3 clubs came from West Bengal (all Kolkata)
1 from Delhi
1 from Bangalore
8 from North-East India
5 from Kerala
2 from Mumbai
and 3 from Goa
So basically there was no geography in our 2 divisions and from rumors it won't get any better in 2012 I-League 2nd Division (or 2011-12 I-League 2nd Division as I hope for) as apparently these are the teams
5 from Kolkata
7 from the North-East
5 from Goa
5 from Mumbai and Bangalore
2 from Kerala
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1) Judging the number of actual fans from FB likes is never a good idea. Does the average home crowd of PFC outnumber that of East Bengal (with lesser FB likes) ? No. Anyone can like a FB page. I have liked HAL and Mohammedan SC's pages. I dont support either club. Just a simple question. If PFC's official page as 27k likes where do these fans go when PFC plays at home? I know ppl who go to every PFC match. They say that their figures have been dropping steadily in last 1.5 seasons.
2) PFC, Lajong and United Sikkim has "official" FB pages properly maintained by admins. PFC's FB page is the primary source of news, as if Lajongs. Their official sites take longer time to put up a news but FB pages are quicker. Obviously that means more people will follow these pages. All Mohun Bagan or East Bengal pages are ordinary user maintained pages.
3) Mohun Bagan is NOT named after sponsors but an actual place in North Kolkata. East Bengal is NOT named after sponsors but the name represents sentiment of people who set the club up.
Putting the name of a City in club's name does brighten the chance for getting more fans, if you are a new club. It didn't help Cochin FC much though. Or Mumbai FC. Or Bengal Mumbai Club.
Bottomline - if your club is properly advertised and promoted then it will get supporters. Irrespective of its name. Arsenal is one of the most popular clubs in the world. Juventus has largest fan base in Italy. None of the clubs are names after the city. Most clubs in London are named after streets or smaller areas. Same as Mohun Bagan.
i myself liked (fb pages) quite a few clubs just to keep track of them and nothing more.
1) Pre Mature celebration.
2) Dempo, Salgaocar probably have more fans than PFC just that they are not active on internet or facebook. The best way to judge actual fan base of a club is to judge by how many people come to watch them (barring some exceptional cases) and NOT how many people like a page in a social n/w site. A lot of supporters of Mohammedan SC are from working class and lower classes, who don't access FB. So if these fans dont like a page it means Mohammedan doesnt have supporters
3) Prayag United don't have fans. They were in 5th division a decade back and have started the get success very recently. Besides it's difficult to build a fan base when fans of three big clubs are said to be "born" and not made. If a club has to create a fan base then it needs to perform for atleast 10-15 years. PU hasn't done that yet.
4) Office teams have an extremely lax mentality towards football, they do very little to promote their teams. No official website, no posters...ppl in Blore arent even aware of a team called HAL.
You simply cannot compare an official FB page of a club (PFC, US, SCG or Lajong) with basic fan run pages of other clubs.
My basic point is DONT judge the number of supporters by FB likes. It's like saying 800 ppl follow football in India because they are part of this forum.