<div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">My 5th point -</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">Case study - Jammu And Kashmir</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><b style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">even santosh trophy has got sponsors and made it </b><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><b>profitable</b></font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><b><br></b></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">In year 2008, Santosh Trophy football tournament was held in JK and it gave new impetus to ailing football of state. It attracted huge crowds and even former All India Football Federation (AIFF) President Priya Ranjan Das Munshi could not stop himself from praising the huge turn outs. It was successful edition of Santosh Trophy in recent memory organised. Not only turn out wise event was success but financially as well. The official broadcasters, Zee Sports grabbed huge sponsorship deal with JK Bank for the event and it turned out as profitable event for them.</span>
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</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Most of these 2nd division clubs recognise talents not by there scouting system but by recommendations from state team performances...</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Is there a statistical data to support that state tournaments dont actually increase the pool?</div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">i see most of the players from recognised states are presently playing for some sort of clubs in their local leagues and all those who prove their talents are already in some of top team in their league </div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">then how come is it playing a role of scouting venture for the top teams and increasing the pools???</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">I dont know Shankar. Apparently according to the people for the cup this is a good chance to get scouted yet at the same time they say India does not have a good scouting system.</font></div>
@shankar but to get a chance or to manage a deal in Ileague this tournament can be a launch pad that most players are looking for
<br><div><br></div><div>BC ROY AND MIR!</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>what about 19+ guys...</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>we got many leagues in various states...and if he got talent he would be picked at least in his neighbouring states...</div><div>best example is kerala and tamil nadu....some of best talents of kerala ends in TN playing in local league and working for PSU's</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">My 5th point -</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">Case study - Jammu And Kashmir</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><b style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">even santosh trophy has got sponsors and made it </b><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><b>profitable</b></font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><b><br></b></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">In year 2008, Santosh Trophy football tournament was held in JK and it gave new impetus to ailing football of state. It attracted huge crowds and even former All India Football Federation (AIFF) President Priya Ranjan Das Munshi could not stop himself from praising the huge turn outs. It was successful edition of Santosh Trophy in recent memory organised. Not only turn out wise event was success but financially as well. The official broadcasters, Zee Sports grabbed huge sponsorship deal with JK Bank for the event and it turned out as profitable event for them.</span>
</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><a href="http://www.kickoffindia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:jk-footballers-making-waves-in-national-football&catid=50:special">http://www.kickoffindia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:jk-footballers-making-waves-in-national-football&catid=50:special</a>;
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<br><div><br></div><div>That is good. Zee got the deal with JK Bank. Now where is that today. 4 years later.</div><div><br></div><div>Also JK just started there football league a year ago and while shit it has already produced a player in I-League from JK Bank FC who plays for Mumbai FC.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">My 5th point -</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">Case study - Jammu And Kashmir</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><b style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">even santosh trophy has got sponsors and made it </b><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><b>profitable</b></font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><b><br></b></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">In year 2008, Santosh Trophy football tournament was held in JK and it gave new impetus to ailing football of state. It attracted huge crowds and even former All India Football Federation (AIFF) President Priya Ranjan Das Munshi could not stop himself from praising the huge turn outs. It was successful edition of Santosh Trophy in recent memory organised. Not only turn out wise event was success but financially as well. The official broadcasters, Zee Sports grabbed huge sponsorship deal with JK Bank for the event and it turned out as profitable event for them.</span>
</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><a href="http://www.kickoffindia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:jk-footballers-making-waves-in-national-football&catid=50:special">http://www.kickoffindia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:jk-footballers-making-waves-in-national-football&catid=50:special</a>;
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<br><div><br></div><div>That is good. Zee got the deal with JK Bank. Now where is that today. 4 years later.</div><div><br></div><div>Also JK just started there football league a year ago and while shit it has already produced a player in I-League from JK Bank FC who plays for Mumbai FC.</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>This was my point to counter the case about Santosh Trophy not being interesting....and this means AIFF needs to choose its spots very carefully, then one can get sponsors and local hype, like J&K</div>
6th point -<div><br></div><div>A way to compare local leagues.</div><div>We judge local leagues ny its websites, promotions etc...but how good are these, can only be known when the cross swords at a national level. 2nd div is too restricted to give us that indication + foreigners also play.</div><div><br></div><div>In santosh trophy we do get to judge how far a state has improved themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>example - NPL is great in promotion but even the so called 'amateur' footballers can thrash them, show the level...and these will be a good yardstick to do so</div>
6th point -<div><br></div><div>A way to compare local leagues.</div><div>We judge local leagues ny its websites, promotions etc...but how good are these, can only be known when the cross swords at a national level. 2nd div is too restricted to give us that indication + foreigners also play.</div><div><br></div><div>In santosh trophy we do get to judge how far a state has improved themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>example - NPL is great in promotion but even the so called 'amateur' footballers can thrash them, show the level...and these will be a good yardstick to do so</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>What is the use if TN beat nagaland....and we get to know that chennai league is stronger than NPL??</div><div>Then we gonna see only those teams which are trying to get professional and play in top division will be trying the luck and sadly in chennai league all are PSU's and i dont see anyone of them trying to be part of top division soon</div><div><br></div><div>so a waste of league with better standards if it cant produce a club which will alteast try to be part of elites</div>
6th point -<div><br></div><div>A way to compare local leagues.</div><div>We judge local leagues ny its websites, promotions etc...but how good are these, can only be known when the cross swords at a national level. 2nd div is too restricted to give us that indication + foreigners also play.</div><div><br></div><div>In santosh trophy we do get to judge how far a state has improved themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>example - NPL is great in promotion but even the so called 'amateur' footballers can thrash them, show the level...and these will be a good yardstick to do so</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>What is the use if TN beat nagaland....and we get to know that chennai league is stronger than NPL??</div><div>Then we gonna see only those teams which are trying to get professional and play in top division will be trying the luck and sadly in chennai league all are PSU's and i dont see anyone of them trying to be part of top division soon</div><div><br></div><div>so a waste of league with better standards if it cant produce a club which will alteast try to be part of elites</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes, but thats not Santosh trophy's job...it shows us the standards...after that if state associations dont take proper steps that not really Santosh Trophy's fault</div>
6th point -</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">A way to compare local leagues.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><b>We judge local leagues ny its websites, promotions etc...but how good are these, can only be known when the cross swords at a national level. 2nd div is too restricted to give us that indication + foreigners also play.</b></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">In santosh trophy we do get to judge how far a state has improved themselves.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">example - NPL is great in promotion but even the so called 'amateur' footballers can thrash them, show the level...and these will be a good yardstick to do so</div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Again why do you think I only look at that. That is nice but is pisses me off when I see things like that. Yes I think NPL is the best system in India and should be implemented instead of that shit that was Premier League Soccer but yes I know that sham of a league in Bangalore is better than Nagaland. Wow brilliant.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also if you want to judge a state than judge there youth players. In the end, long-term you know, the thing that matters more than anything right now, it will be the youth players that help Indian football once they mature. Why settle for some 25 year old amateur when you can get a good 19 year old amateur. It makes perfect sense.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">And also you say 1 crore is small and yes, maybe it is but it would certainly help if that money is put into I-League U20 where more of those players will get a chance at I-League and Indian football than a bunch of poor, 25 year olds that sadly had a rough life. I am sorry for that but that is reality and AIFF is not a charity case.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">We can bring this trophy back in 5-10 years but at this moment it is a luxury, something that we do not need, something that is not needed in Indian football at this moment.</font></div>
6th point -</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">A way to compare local leagues.</div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><b>We judge local leagues ny its websites, promotions etc...but how good are these, can only be known when the cross swords at a national level. 2nd div is too restricted to give us that indication + foreigners also play.</b></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">In santosh trophy we do get to judge how far a state has improved themselves.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: normal; ">example - NPL is great in promotion but even the so called 'amateur' footballers can thrash them, show the level...and these will be a good yardstick to do so</div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2" style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal; ">
</font><br><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Again why do you think I only look at that. That is nice but is pisses me off when I see things like that. Yes I think NPL is the best system in India and should be implemented instead of that shit that was Premier League Soccer but yes I know that sham of a league in Bangalore is better than Nagaland. Wow brilliant.</div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also if you want to judge a state than judge there youth players. In the end, long-term you know, the thing that matters more than anything right now, it will be the youth players that help Indian football once they mature. Why settle for some 25 year old amateur when you can get a good 19 year old amateur. It makes perfect sense.</div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">And also you say 1 crore is small and yes, maybe it is but it would certainly help if that money is put into I-League U20 where more of those players will get a chance at I-League and Indian football than a bunch of poor, 25 year olds that sadly had a rough life. I am sorry for that but that is reality and AIFF is not a charity case.</div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">We can bring this trophy back in 5-10 years but at this moment it is a luxury, something that we do not need, something that is not needed in Indian football at this moment.</font></div><font size="2">
</font><div><b><font size="4">Please Stick to the topic...this is distracting....we are not discussing NPL's potential here</font></b></div><div><b><font size="4">Its no point wasting my time to talk about this in this Debate</font></b></div>
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</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">I dont know Shankar. Apparently according to the people for the cup this is a good chance to get scouted yet at the same time they say India does not have a good scouting system.</font></div>
<br><div><br></div><div>we got many leagues in various states...and if he got talent he would be picked at least in his neighbouring states...</div><div>best example is kerala and tamil nadu....some of best talents of kerala ends in TN playing in local league and working for PSU's</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>That is good. Zee got the deal with JK Bank. Now where is that today. 4 years later.</div><div><br></div><div>Also JK just started there football league a year ago and while shit it has already produced a player in I-League from JK Bank FC who plays for Mumbai FC.</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>This was my point to counter the case about Santosh Trophy not being interesting....and this means AIFF needs to choose its spots very carefully, then one can get sponsors and local hype, like J&K</div>
<br><div><br></div><div>What is the use if TN beat nagaland....and we get to know that chennai league is stronger than NPL??</div><div>Then we gonna see only those teams which are trying to get professional and play in top division will be trying the luck and sadly in chennai league all are PSU's and i dont see anyone of them trying to be part of top division soon</div><div><br></div><div>so a waste of league with better standards if it cant produce a club which will alteast try to be part of elites</div>
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Again why do you think I only look at that. That is nice but is pisses me off when I see things like that. Yes I think NPL is the best system in India and should be implemented instead of that shit that was Premier League Soccer but yes I know that sham of a league in Bangalore is better than Nagaland. Wow brilliant.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also if you want to judge a state than judge there youth players. In the end, long-term you know, the thing that matters more than anything right now, it will be the youth players that help Indian football once they mature. Why settle for some 25 year old amateur when you can get a good 19 year old amateur. It makes perfect sense.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; ">And also you say 1 crore is small and yes, maybe it is but it would certainly help if that money is put into I-League U20 where more of those players will get a chance at I-League and Indian football than a bunch of poor, 25 year olds that sadly had a rough life. I am sorry for that but that is reality and AIFF is not a charity case.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">We can bring this trophy back in 5-10 years but at this moment it is a luxury, something that we do not need, something that is not needed in Indian football at this moment.</font></div>