Aryan has shown professionalism. One of the few clubs in 2nd div to have a proper website and a sponsor.
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Sponsor : Techno Group
History : One of the old Kolkata clubs.
Team : Lots of local lads
Coach : Raghu Nandi, highly rated. Won junior league for Mohun Bagan
but do we really need to increase the no of clubs from same city....may be if they even think about any other place in bengal even that would be good for the club growth as well for the reach of the club as well.....
i just hope the next two teams are from northeast and from different states of NE too...
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This just leads me to thinking. AIFF could have done better with deciding which teams should be in the league. Like how did they come up with 23 teams? What criteria did they set up. Like how did KGF Academy make the league. They should of done 18 teams. (6 teams per group) and take out 5 clubs like KGF Academy (really an academy team), Bhawanipore (another random Kolkata club who no one knows about), Green Valley (what the F*** is Green Valley and also they will not get promotion), Techno Aryan (another Kolkata club + they need a revamp in management), Luangmaul (same as Green Valley). Take these clubs out and you have a good 18 team league with equal groups and good representation (6 from NE, 3 from WE, 3 from Kolkata, 1 from North, 2 from Goa, 2 from Maha, 1 from Orissa)
As for next season AIFF should look more into getting rid of a few more Kolkata clubs like Kalighat and Southern Samity and bring in a club from Chennai and the North while in Goa get rid of SESA and get a club from the GPL like Margao FC or some other club from the Goa League. Also in the NE get rid of a Shillong club as Shillong is turing into another Kolkata as they have to many clubs and promote the champions of the Nagaland Premier League to the I-League 2nd Division.
New representation for 2013 (or 2012-13):(NOTE: I am predicting that Chirag and HAL get relegated and that HAL dissolve while Chirag play in the league. Due to this the AIFF allow another team from Hyderabad in the league.)
2 from Kolkata, 2 from Goa, 2 from Maha, 4 from Kerala, 2 from East Coast, 6 from NE, 2 from North (20 clubs)
Divide into 2 groups of 10 so each team can play 9 games and allow the top 4 each group in the Final Round so at the end those 8 teams would play 16 games.
Hey arsenalkid this got me thinking...... We know AIFF is not strong enough to implement the AFC criteria by force in I-League.... so the best way to implement the criteria is via implementing it on div 2 and this would indirctly create a pressure on the top division clubs
Ya I thought about that before and it is a very good idea but there are some negatives.
1) How many teams can actually fit the AFC Criteria
2) Can teams fill the AFC Criteria while still playing in the 2nd Division while its in the format its in.
3) Money
I am guessing that if we do that there would only be like 8 teams in the league becuase most of the 23 clubs in it are poor so they cant afford to fullfill the criteria. But I do admit it would help the 1st Division Professionalise. Heck maybe the 2nd Division would become the new 1st Division if it proves good
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Ya I thought about that before and it is a very good idea but there are some negatives.
1) How many teams can actually fit the AFC Criteria
2) Can teams fill the AFC Criteria while still playing in the 2nd Division while its in the format its in.
3) Money
I am guessing that if we do that there would only be like 8 teams in the league becuase most of the 23 clubs in it are poor so they cant afford to fullfill the criteria. But I do admit it would help the 1st Division Professionalise. Heck maybe the 2nd Division would become the new 1st Division if it proves good[/quote]
Most of these teams don't fulfill the criteria on numerous levels:
eg:
1) Coaches aren't qualified for 2nd Division , let alone I-League ! except 2 of those 23 !
2) No Academy / youth teams , as with the above, all the teams are just showing this & other criteria on their application paper but cannot physically show this. A spot check on these clubs & most I-League clubs would expose this .
3) Most of these 2nd Division teams would not be able to compete in the I-League with their current finances; clubs should be made to keep a security bond with the AIFF , so the players are paid on time irrespective of the teams performance in the 2nd division !
BUT one can't blame the clubs , after all even the AIFF is ignoring the AFC recommendation to change the 2nd Division format. This 3 group & 1 final group format was supposed to be replaced by a home & away format , and this would have been possible if we had limited the 2nd division to the top 8 from last season ( replace the 2 qualified teams with 2 teams based on their year round performance )
Ya I thought about that before and it is a very good idea but there are some negatives.
1) How many teams can actually fit the AFC Criteria
2) Can teams fill the AFC Criteria while still playing in the 2nd Division while its in the format its in.
3) Money
I am guessing that if we do that there would only be like 8 teams in the league becuase most of the 23 clubs in it are poor so they cant afford to fullfill the criteria. But I do admit it would help the 1st Division Professionalise. Heck maybe the 2nd Division would become the new 1st Division if it proves good
Most of these teams don't fulfill the criteria on numerous levels:
eg:
1) Coaches aren't qualified for 2nd Division , let alone I-League ! except 2 of those 23 !
2) No Academy / youth teams , as with the above, all the teams are just showing this & other criteria on their application paper but cannot physically show this. A spot check on these clubs & most I-League clubs would expose this .
3) Most of these 2nd Division teams would not be able to compete in the I-League with their current finances; clubs should be made to keep a security bond with the AIFF , so the players are paid on time irrespective of the teams performance in the 2nd division !
BUT one can't blame the clubs , after all even the AIFF is ignoring the AFC recommendation to change the 2nd Division format. This 3 group & 1 final group format was supposed to be replaced by a home & away format , and this would have been possible if we had limited the 2nd division to the top 8 from last season ( replace the 2 qualified teams with 2 teams based on their year round performance )[/quote]
Moderator: archak[/quote]
Exactly. That is why I said if we switch we would only have 8 clubs in the 2nd Division. United Sikkim, Royal Wahingdoh, Quartz SC, Gauhati Town Club, Mohammedan SC, Kenkre FC, Vasco SC, and Simla Youngs FC. But also at the same time a BIG part of the AFC Criteria is stadiums which due to the format of the 2nd Division all the teams fail at because NONE OF THE TEAMS PLAY IN THERE STADIUMS!
This also brings me back to an earlier post where I said where did the AIFF get the number 23 from. What criteria did they base this on. Right now the AIFF need to wake up and smell the coffee and like form a group of people to run 2nd Division affairs because its obvious the AIFF have to much to do than worry about there 2nd Division so why not start a new branch of the AIFF called I-League 2nd Division Holdings Group. This group of around 7-10 men would be in charge of the 2nd Division and selecting teams, formatting the league, making sure criteria is good and what not.
In my true opinion the 2nd Division should only be around 12 teams and a single home-away table format because this would lower travel costs and still allow teams to play in there stadiums.
I would like to show you two leagues from the USA. The 3rd Division of Soccer in the USA and our 2nd Division.
Our 3rd Division started only in 2011 with 15 teams and now only has 11 teams. This is because they did not focus on a criteria and they did not think that the popularity for lower division soccer would be that bad. Plus they put a team in Los Angeles and the closest team to them was located 750 miles away. A lot of teams folded and actually just yesterday my local 3rd Division team FC New York folded because of the un organization. This is the current I-League 2nd Division. Having a horrible format with teams folding every season and financial issues everywhere and teams all in one area.
Now our 2nd Division started 2011 with 8 teams and currently still has 8. One of the teams went up to MLS (The 1st Division) and another came and took its place so the league can still have 8 teams. Plus all the teams are financially stable and the league is hoping to get to 10 teams by 2013 and 14 by 2014. (NOTE: There is no promotion/relegation between 1st, 2nd or 3rd Division in the USA)
So you can tell which league is better in the USA. Our I-League 2nd Division needs to be like the 2nd Division in America. Maybe 8 teams which have proper owners, proper stadiums and are located in cities with no I-League 1st Division teams so they don't fight for support. Then gradually expand the league. Now note that this may require no promotion/relegation but rather expansion.
If an I-League 2nd Division team wants to go to I-League then they need to win the 2nd Division and qualify for AFC Champions League Criteria so the league is not in trouble losing the spot and the 2nd Division must have a city lined up to replace the 2nd Division club that went to the I-League. See what I mean. Also if a team is no longer good for I-League then they hold and we expand more than 2 clubs from the I-League 2nd Division to make up numbers.
Here are links to these leagues to have a better understanding...
Also note that this would have an impact on the I-League clubs in the 1st Division as they will work harder to be more financially viable and stable so they don't have to be forced to fold.
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clubs don't need to have their own stadium they may share a stadium. This is not told that a club has to own its own stadium. Even clubs like Milan, Internationalize play in a shared stadium. They just pay an annual rent
Aryan has shown professionalism. One of the few clubs in 2nd div to have a proper website and a sponsor.
Website : <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://technoaryanclub.com/aryan/index.php?id=1"; onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://technoaryanclub.com/aryan/index.php?id=1</a><!-- m -->" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sponsor : Techno Group
History : One of the old Kolkata clubs.
Team : Lots of local lads
Coach : Raghu Nandi, highly rated. Won junior league for Mohun Bagan
Just now Aryans defeated East Bengal 4-1 in a Kolkata league match. East Bengal fans are furious.
clubs don't need to have their own stadium they may share a stadium. This is not told that a club has to own its own stadium. Even clubs like Milan, Internationalize play in a shared stadium. They just pay an annual rent
Thats good to but what I am pointing out is that NONE of the 23 teams will play in a stadium of there own AT ALL this season. Whether its shared or not shared. Heck I don't mind ground sharing but the thing is they don't do it in the 2nd Division at all.
absolutely agree with Arsenalfan about the comparison needed with US league structures
the reasons for this ( or other leagues like J-League)
Just like the US , football is not the #1 sport in India and will never have the finances required to have a EPL style league
We don't have the infrastructure like in Europe, where even local town teams have their own stadiums ( albeit tiny ones)
When the J-League started there was no relegation for the 1st few years ( i think it was between 3 or 5 , not sure ) , this enabled clubs to invest in their Academies and as we all know , japan produces some of the best players in AFC now.
The franchise system as seen in Austarlia, US, etc is much better suited for Indian football, and fortunately IMG-Reliance know this and will be implementing this in the years to come.
Thus it is very important for teams to get into the I-League in the next 2 versions, as those 14 teams + 2 more will probably form the crux of the new franchise based League structure.
The current system as it is will ruin more clubs than it creates
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i just hope the next two teams are from northeast and from different states of NE too...
Ya I thought about that before and it is a very good idea but there are some negatives.
1) How many teams can actually fit the AFC Criteria
2) Can teams fill the AFC Criteria while still playing in the 2nd Division while its in the format its in.
3) Money
I am guessing that if we do that there would only be like 8 teams in the league becuase most of the 23 clubs in it are poor so they cant afford to fullfill the criteria. But I do admit it would help the 1st Division Professionalise. Heck maybe the 2nd Division would become the new 1st Division if it proves good
Ya I thought about that before and it is a very good idea but there are some negatives.
1) How many teams can actually fit the AFC Criteria
2) Can teams fill the AFC Criteria while still playing in the 2nd Division while its in the format its in.
3) Money
I am guessing that if we do that there would only be like 8 teams in the league becuase most of the 23 clubs in it are poor so they cant afford to fullfill the criteria. But I do admit it would help the 1st Division Professionalise. Heck maybe the 2nd Division would become the new 1st Division if it proves good[/quote]
Most of these teams don't fulfill the criteria on numerous levels:
eg:
1) Coaches aren't qualified for 2nd Division , let alone I-League ! except 2 of those 23 !
2) No Academy / youth teams , as with the above, all the teams are just showing this & other criteria on their application paper but cannot physically show this. A spot check on these clubs & most I-League clubs would expose this .
3) Most of these 2nd Division teams would not be able to compete in the I-League with their current finances; clubs should be made to keep a security bond with the AIFF , so the players are paid on time irrespective of the teams performance in the 2nd division !
BUT one can't blame the clubs , after all even the AIFF is ignoring the AFC recommendation to change the 2nd Division format. This 3 group & 1 final group format was supposed to be replaced by a home & away format , and this would have been possible if we had limited the 2nd division to the top 8 from last season ( replace the 2 qualified teams with 2 teams based on their year round performance )
Most of these teams don't fulfill the criteria on numerous levels:
eg:
1) Coaches aren't qualified for 2nd Division , let alone I-League ! except 2 of those 23 !
2) No Academy / youth teams , as with the above, all the teams are just showing this & other criteria on their application paper but cannot physically show this. A spot check on these clubs & most I-League clubs would expose this .
3) Most of these 2nd Division teams would not be able to compete in the I-League with their current finances; clubs should be made to keep a security bond with the AIFF , so the players are paid on time irrespective of the teams performance in the 2nd division !
BUT one can't blame the clubs , after all even the AIFF is ignoring the AFC recommendation to change the 2nd Division format. This 3 group & 1 final group format was supposed to be replaced by a home & away format , and this would have been possible if we had limited the 2nd division to the top 8 from last season ( replace the 2 qualified teams with 2 teams based on their year round performance )[/quote]
Moderator: archak[/quote]
Exactly. That is why I said if we switch we would only have 8 clubs in the 2nd Division. United Sikkim, Royal Wahingdoh, Quartz SC, Gauhati Town Club, Mohammedan SC, Kenkre FC, Vasco SC, and Simla Youngs FC. But also at the same time a BIG part of the AFC Criteria is stadiums which due to the format of the 2nd Division all the teams fail at because NONE OF THE TEAMS PLAY IN THERE STADIUMS!
This also brings me back to an earlier post where I said where did the AIFF get the number 23 from. What criteria did they base this on. Right now the AIFF need to wake up and smell the coffee and like form a group of people to run 2nd Division affairs because its obvious the AIFF have to much to do than worry about there 2nd Division so why not start a new branch of the AIFF called I-League 2nd Division Holdings Group. This group of around 7-10 men would be in charge of the 2nd Division and selecting teams, formatting the league, making sure criteria is good and what not.
In my true opinion the 2nd Division should only be around 12 teams and a single home-away table format because this would lower travel costs and still allow teams to play in there stadiums.
I would like to show you two leagues from the USA. The 3rd Division of Soccer in the USA and our 2nd Division.
Our 3rd Division started only in 2011 with 15 teams and now only has 11 teams. This is because they did not focus on a criteria and they did not think that the popularity for lower division soccer would be that bad. Plus they put a team in Los Angeles and the closest team to them was located 750 miles away. A lot of teams folded and actually just yesterday my local 3rd Division team FC New York folded because of the un organization. This is the current I-League 2nd Division. Having a horrible format with teams folding every season and financial issues everywhere and teams all in one area.
Now our 2nd Division started 2011 with 8 teams and currently still has 8. One of the teams went up to MLS (The 1st Division) and another came and took its place so the league can still have 8 teams. Plus all the teams are financially stable and the league is hoping to get to 10 teams by 2013 and 14 by 2014. (NOTE: There is no promotion/relegation between 1st, 2nd or 3rd Division in the USA)
So you can tell which league is better in the USA. Our I-League 2nd Division needs to be like the 2nd Division in America. Maybe 8 teams which have proper owners, proper stadiums and are located in cities with no I-League 1st Division teams so they don't fight for support. Then gradually expand the league. Now note that this may require no promotion/relegation but rather expansion.
If an I-League 2nd Division team wants to go to I-League then they need to win the 2nd Division and qualify for AFC Champions League Criteria so the league is not in trouble losing the spot and the 2nd Division must have a city lined up to replace the 2nd Division club that went to the I-League. See what I mean. Also if a team is no longer good for I-League then they hold and we expand more than 2 clubs from the I-League 2nd Division to make up numbers.
Here are links to these leagues to have a better understanding...
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Also note that this would have an impact on the I-League clubs in the 1st Division as they will work harder to be more financially viable and stable so they don't have to be forced to fold.
Just now Aryans defeated East Bengal 4-1 in a Kolkata league match. East Bengal fans are furious.
Thats good to but what I am pointing out is that NONE of the 23 teams will play in a stadium of there own AT ALL this season. Whether its shared or not shared. Heck I don't mind ground sharing but the thing is they don't do it in the 2nd Division at all.
the reasons for this ( or other leagues like J-League)
Just like the US , football is not the #1 sport in India and will never have the finances required to have a EPL style league
We don't have the infrastructure like in Europe, where even local town teams have their own stadiums ( albeit tiny ones)
When the J-League started there was no relegation for the 1st few years ( i think it was between 3 or 5 , not sure ) , this enabled clubs to invest in their Academies and as we all know , japan produces some of the best players in AFC now.
The franchise system as seen in Austarlia, US, etc is much better suited for Indian football, and fortunately IMG-Reliance know this and will be implementing this in the years to come.
Thus it is very important for teams to get into the I-League in the next 2 versions, as those 14 teams + 2 more will probably form the crux of the new franchise based League structure.
The current system as it is will ruin more clubs than it creates