Club Relocation

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  • ajmalajmal 1208 Points
    At present, we shud be looking for places wer there is no sporting culture. We shud develop football here with PROFESSIONAL CLUBS as pune fc did in pune . Also we dont hav any clubs frm places like kozhikode wer there's a high following
  • ajmalajmal 1208 Points
    i dont have a club from nagpur only if it is air india which is shifting their base otherwise i dont want them as it will be overcrowded in another state as well.....and i dont see much of potential in chennai as good local football following city in recent years..not much idea about lucknow...rest cities are as deserving as any current i-league cities..
    and i wish aiff comes with a rule of max no of clubs from one city/state for each divisions that could help these relocation a bit finer way.

    It should be based on support.

    West Bengal has 2 teams (EB and MB), Goa has 2, Maha has 3 (It is a big state and Pune, Mumbai and Nagpur have distance between them), 1 in Kerala, 1 in Bangalore, 3 in NE, 1 in Delhi, 1 in Chennai
    1 in Punjab, 1 in Jamshedpur, 1 in Nagpur, 1 in Lucknow

    18 teams and all the places the teams are in are viable. Of course now the problem is convincing investors and current I-League owners that this is a good idea and that money can be made from this.
    Exactly - " based on support ". Also these clubs altogether shud cover all most all part of india , so that a junior player can join a club near by without travelling too much across states.
    Chennai is not a nice option - a cricket place
    "When there's a good stadium , its a cricket place. When there's football u'll hav d worst stadium- NICE DISTRIBUTION!!!!"
  • @ ajmal
    Exactly - " based on support ". Also these clubs altogether shud cover all most all part of india , so that a junior player can join a club near by without travelling too much across states.
    Chennai is not a nice option - a cricket place
    "When there's a good stadium , its a cricket place. When there's football u'll hav d worst stadium- NICE DISTRIBUTION!!!!"
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  • At present, we shud be looking for places wer there is no sporting culture. We shud develop football here with PROFESSIONAL CLUBS as pune fc did in pune . Also we dont hav any clubs frm places like kozhikode wer there's a high following

    These cities we develope using the I-League 2nd Division. The 1st Division needs to have places that can quickly fullfil a certain criteria. Plus I dont trust Kerala with 2 football teams. They could not even support 1 right now and Eagles FC only has small support.

    2nd Division should have... Hyderabad, Nagaland, Mizoram, Orissa, Jaipur, Kerala, Imphal, Delhi, Kashmire... 8 teams for the 2nd Division, it makes it easier to run the club becuase more clubs would cost more money.
  • i dont have a club from nagpur only if it is air india which is shifting their base otherwise i dont want them as it will be overcrowded in another state as well.....and i dont see much of potential in chennai as good local football following city in recent years..not much idea about lucknow...rest cities are as deserving as any current i-league cities..
    and i wish aiff comes with a rule of max no of clubs from one city/state for each divisions that could help these relocation a bit finer way.

    It should be based on support.

    West Bengal has 2 teams (EB and MB), Goa has 2, Maha has 3 (It is a big state and Pune, Mumbai and Nagpur have distance between them), 1 in Kerala, 1 in Bangalore, 3 in NE, 1 in Delhi, 1 in Chennai
    1 in Punjab, 1 in Jamshedpur, 1 in Nagpur, 1 in Lucknow

    18 teams and all the places the teams are in are viable. Of course now the problem is convincing investors and current I-League owners that this is a good idea and that money can be made from this.
    Exactly - " based on support ". Also these clubs altogether shud cover all most all part of india , so that a junior player can join a club near by without travelling too much across states.
    Chennai is not a nice option - a cricket place
    "When there's a good stadium , its a cricket place. When there's football u'll hav d worst stadium- NICE DISTRIBUTION!!!!"

    I dont get what you are saying.
  • ajmalajmal 1208 Points
    @rudra & reddevil

    i think arsenalfan has made some valid points on d distribution of clubs across d country i.e no more than 2 clubs from a state, ...................

    For football to develop in a country, fans are a must . Now consider d case wen most of d clubs in i league are from say bengal .You'll have lesser fans from outside dis state.I league being only a 14 team affair (lesser compared to other leagues ) , its not good to have more clubs from a single city

    Now think, india have BEST 50 young football talents . They wont be coming from a specific region - they will be scattered all over d country.
    for d national team to be good, we need d BEST talents and not d GOOD ones.LOCAL cubs play a main role in spotting these LOCAL BEST talents.

    d poor performance of d clubs like hal,chirag is due to their unprofessional attitude .So we need more pune fcs in these places.And iam sure that after 10 years or so aiff will bring a rule that u can have only 1 club from a city (considering our country's size )
  • @rudra & reddevil

    i think arsenalfan has made some valid points on d distribution of clubs across d country i.e no more than 2 clubs from a state, ...................

    For football to develop in a country, fans are a must . Now consider d case wen most of d clubs in i league are from say bengal .You'll have lesser fans from outside dis state.I league being only a 14 team affair (lesser compared to other leagues ) , its not good to have more clubs from a single city

    Now think, india have BEST 50 young football talents . They wont be coming from a specific region - they will be scattered all over d country.
    for d national team to be good, we need d BEST talents and not d GOOD ones.LOCAL cubs play a main role in spotting these LOCAL BEST talents.

    d poor performance of d clubs like hal,chirag is due to their unprofessional attitude .So we need more pune fcs in these places.And iam sure that after 10 years or so aiff will bring a rule that u can have only 1 club from a city (considering our country's size )

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    Thank you for understanding mate. Also for those who want that 3rd club in Bengal or Goa then once the league reaches 18 teams with 2 of them coming from Bengal and the other 2 coming from Goa and the rest coming from the cities I mentioned (basically once we have 18 clubs we should have 2 clubs in Kolkata, 2 in Goa, and 14 scattered all over India) then we could possibly (if viable) add an extra club to each city (So we would have 20 teams, 3 from West Bengal, 3 from Goa and 14 from the rest of India)

    Plus a franchise league does not depend on quality of the teams. It depends on money. When Major League Soccer was founded they thought feild quality was what they needed but then after there 4th season they saw it did not and they found that out becuase in 1999 it was found out MLS lost $30,000,000 EACH SEASON!!! That is a lot. MLS was at the brink of folding but then they decided to switch around. They forced out two of there worst financially ruined clubs (Tampa Bay and Miami or in our case it would be HAL and Air India) and forced relocated clubs as well to good markets (San Jose to Houston) they also cancelled there plan to introduce promotion/relegation and decided that from 2000-onwards that they would work on ONLY expansion but they would not decide only on there quality on field. MLS would look at the market, the TV ratings for the World Cup, TV ratings during US national team matchs (this is a vital criteria), The owner and how reliable he is, how much the owners are focused on marketing, and (what is a main criteria today) who is willing to pay the biggest expansion fee (This is the amount an owner pays to the league if they want to be in the league and trust me that is a very good thing for MLS as right now we are selling to 20th franchise and about 10 groups in the USA are interested in taking that 20th spot and the fee is $75,000,000 so a lot of money can come to the AIFF through expansion fees, of course not as high as $75,000,000 but maybe $3,000,000)
  • @rudra & reddevil

    i think arsenalfan has made some valid points on d distribution of clubs across d country i.e no more than 2 clubs from a state, ...................

    I am also agreeing arsenalfan with his view for requirement for distribution of clubs across India. But I have some points here (I am putting this as club owner point of view):

    1)Club history : With Relocating, club will loose its history. And no club would like do that because without its history club will not be able to popularize itself. Hence they would prefer to increase the fans base in the same place itself or if club relocation is must for them they would like to go a near by place so that they could relate to old history and retain the old fans and same time make new base also.
    2) Issue similar to JCT : Without any public no club can run successfully. JCT closed down because they was very less amount of interest from people in the local region, even though JCT was only big club in North India. Now seeing the same, no clubs would like to go to unproven location. They would prefer to invest in a location(nearby location) where they have proven record.
    3)Cost of traveling : If clubs are scattered then they would require more traveling cost. This would cost huge hole in pocket (since AIFF is moving to complete professionalism of club). Club owners would like to be in place where cost of travel is less. Traveling not increases cost but quality of play.
    4) Infrastructure : Most of the regions in India does not have proper infrastructure. New location without proper infrastructure will drop the quality of play and in turn would cause lack of popularity.

    Now coming to my view point. I am in support of current format of i-league but would like see changes especially in regional leagues and i-league2.

    1) (If really require) To relocate : Club should first built organize periodic youth camps or a youth academy or club merchandising(highly unlikely) outlet a new location to gain public support of new area. If they see some positive response then they can slowly move to new location. In this way, they would be able to plan better and club relocation would have less or no negative impact at all.
    2) To increase popularity and infrastructure (all over India) : Start sincere/strong Regional leagues or Youth leagues based on University ( as arsenalfan suggested in one of the post). To really tap into completely new market (like UP, Rajasthan,etc.) I would really support the franchise idea. Start small scale PLS or MLS like league structure (with local investors, just like PLS did in Bengal) and slowing developing that into regional league. This helps as there are would less traveling cost and matches would intense because of local rivalry. Also infrastructure could be shared in a local region (just in Goa and Bengal) thus helping in building the infrastructure in that region slowly. Currently most of the regions does not have proper local league, now if a clubs gets relegated then how would it be able to sustain(during relegated season) when it is not in I-league. Though PUNE FC is doing awesome, now say somehow PUNE FC is relegated, how will it be able to support itself during relegated season ( Please take this just as an example).
    3) To spread I-league all over India : I would like have these regional league in place. Now only top two or three teams from these regions should only participate in I-league2. Now only best two or three from I-league2 should get selected in I-league (IRRESPECTIVE OF REGION). So I would like to have I-league2 to be the place where this region restriction is implemented not at highest level. Qualifying to highest level should only be only based on PURE CLASS. Coming to I-league2, I would like to have it as year round event not as two month event as of now and home - away format. Thus I-league2 contains previous years relegated team as well as top teams from each region(Note every year teams playing I-league2 is changes). I-league only consist of top teams. Also increase the number of teams playing in I-league to 16 to 20 for better representation of whole country.
    4) To tap into local youth potential : I feel AIFF doing a great job in this case by opening regional academies. This ensures youth does not have to travel far location for training. The main focus of academies should be to tap as much potential from the local region as possible.

    In the end, I do have one question for arsenalfan about MLS? Does MLS truly represent US? I just saw wiki and found out that MLS (Eastern conference) is mainly concentrated near New York and New Jersey(states). There is no club from Florida, Louisiana, or other south eastern states. Also there are no states from north central regions like Utah, Nebraska and all. Also will it be nice to completely remove the relegation concept as MLS?
  • @rudra & reddevil

    i think arsenalfan has made some valid points on d distribution of clubs across d country i.e no more than 2 clubs from a state, ...................

    I am also agreeing arsenalfan with his view for requirement for distribution of clubs across India. But I have some points here (I am putting this as club owner point of view):

    1)Club history : With Relocating, club will loose its history. And no club would like do that because without its history club will not be able to popularize itself. Hence they would prefer to increase the fans base in the same place itself or if club relocation is must for them they would like to go a near by place so that they could relate to old history and retain the old fans and same time make new base also.
    2) Issue similar to JCT : Without any public no club can run successfully. JCT closed down because they was very less amount of interest from people in the local region, even though JCT was only big club in North India. Now seeing the same, no clubs would like to go to unproven location. They would prefer to invest in a location(nearby location) where they have proven record.
    3)Cost of traveling : If clubs are scattered then they would require more traveling cost. This would cost huge hole in pocket (since AIFF is moving to complete professionalism of club). Club owners would like to be in place where cost of travel is less. Traveling not increases cost but quality of play.
    4) Infrastructure : Most of the regions in India does not have proper infrastructure. New location without proper infrastructure will drop the quality of play and in turn would cause lack of popularity.

    Now coming to my view point. I am in support of current format of i-league but would like see changes especially in regional leagues and i-league2.

    1) (If really require) To relocate : Club should first built organize periodic youth camps or a youth academy or club merchandising(highly unlikely) outlet a new location to gain public support of new area. If they see some positive response then they can slowly move to new location. In this way, they would be able to plan better and club relocation would have less or no negative impact at all.
    2) To increase popularity and infrastructure (all over India) : Start sincere/strong Regional leagues or Youth leagues based on University ( as arsenalfan suggested in one of the post). To really tap into completely new market (like UP, Rajasthan,etc.) I would really support the franchise idea. Start small scale PLS or MLS like league structure (with local investors, just like PLS did in Bengal) and slowing developing that into regional league. This helps as there are would less traveling cost and matches would intense because of local rivalry. Also infrastructure could be shared in a local region (just in Goa and Bengal) thus helping in building the infrastructure in that region slowly. Currently most of the regions does not have proper local league, now if a clubs gets relegated then how would it be able to sustain(during relegated season) when it is not in I-league. Though PUNE FC is doing awesome, now say somehow PUNE FC is relegated, how will it be able to support itself during relegated season ( Please take this just as an example).
    3) To spread I-league all over India : I would like have these regional league in place. Now only top two or three teams from these regions should only participate in I-league2. Now only best two or three from I-league2 should get selected in I-league (IRRESPECTIVE OF REGION). So I would like to have I-league2 to be the place where this region restriction is implemented not at highest level. Qualifying to highest level should only be only based on PURE CLASS. Coming to I-league2, I would like to have it as year round event not as two month event as of now and home - away format. Thus I-league2 contains previous years relegated team as well as top teams from each region(Note every year teams playing I-league2 is changes). I-league only consist of top teams. Also increase the number of teams playing in I-league to 16 to 20 for better representation of whole country.
    4) To tap into local youth potential : I feel AIFF doing a great job in this case by opening regional academies. This ensures youth does not have to travel far location for training. The main focus of academies should be to tap as much potential from the local region as possible.

    In the end, I do have one question for arsenalfan about MLS? Does MLS truly represent US? I just saw wiki and found out that MLS (Eastern conference) is mainly concentrated near New York and New Jersey(states). There is no club from Florida, Louisiana, or other south eastern states. Also there are no states from north central regions like Utah, Nebraska and all. Also will it be nice to completely remove the relegation concept as MLS?
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    well if a region has large hardcore football fans & there is no football club then what should be done? the non historical club can relocate.
  • 1) Well if a club has to relocate then it would have to be because of money issues which would mean that history would go to the back of the owners mind. Would you rather preserve your teams history by staying (or moving a few cities down) or would you rather make money. Its not a hard decision. Also what history does Prayag United SC have. They won there only professional cups in Delhi for gods sake and it did nothing to there popularity really. Also I bet Prayag Group is smart enough to know that money comes first, history 2nd.

    2) How much did JCT market? Did they do enough? Did they try helping out the Punjab area? Did they do anything? I was in Punjab in 2009 and was hoping to see a JCT match but turns out because of no marketing by them I missed the game. They had a history but marketing yourself should be #1.

    3) Sure the owners we have now would love small travel but sadly it cant happen in a National League. Also I think going from say Kolkata to Goa is a pain in the ass to. Or Kerala to Shillong. If the AIFF can market and advertise there league to potential big companies like Mahindra & Mahindra, TATA Motors, Infosys etc then that is no problem.

    4) All the places I have said have the proper infrastructure in place also not all 16 locations will be used. I would start with 8 teams (6 cities) with clubs in places were infrastructure would be no problem there and expand and renovate stadiums from there.

    SECOND PART:

    1) Thats a good idea. Excellent really but the places I have said already have proven fan bases based on there local leagues and such.

    2) LOVE IT!

    3) I shall explain that in my Super Post over the weekend

    4) For this to happen we need Academy teams to merge with already I-League clubs (example: PIFA FC merging with Mumbai FC or SESA FA merging with Sporting Goa)

    Also about you MLS point. Congrats for seeing that. Well I do have an answer for you. When MLS started in 1996 we had 2 teams in the South-East but they both failed and sense MLS has been scared to put a new team there but now most likely the 20th MLS team will be from that area. Also here is your other answer to your question... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Soccer_League"; onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer ... cer_League</a><!-- m -->

    Introducing the 2nd Division of Soccer in the United States. That is what I want AIFF to do. Have the proper, already proven markets in the I-League and have the potentially good markets in the 2nd Division. 80% of the 2nd Division of the USA is from that area MLS is not at and that is a good thing because there is no competition and attendance's can rise.

    Also America is much bigger than India (when it comes to wideness) so going from New York to Philly would be like going from Goa to Mumbai. And New York to Washington DC would be like Kolkata to Southern Orissa. There is so much space between the teams its not funny yet MLS is still a successful scattered league with a bright future. A future that maybe India could have if the AIFF are wise.
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