Club Relocation

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  • Deb_BanDeb_Ban 9995 Points
    We, as a rule, are assuming that the future league shall be franchisee-based. But I think there shall be a way to include the existing mass-based (as well as privately held) clubs into the league. For example, how shall EB or MB (or for that matter, PFC or Dempo) be taken in the league? Surely, they cannot be kept out; and as of now, they will not be able to gather THAT amount of cash needed to compete in a franchisee-based league. I believe IMG-R is trying to find a way out (is that the reason for the delay in coming out with a scheme?)

    Secondly, it’s easy to say this club shall merge into that club: this is simply not going to happen. I don’t think Salgaocar would be ready to merge with Clube, or Air India with MFC or United SC with EB, even for equity stakes. Can you really merge clubs just like that to create a one-city-one-club scenario? Can you really merge Everton with Liverpool, knowing the latter born out of the former; and Man City to Man U to for a super club, knowing the inherent rivalry? Can one say to QPR, Chelsea or Arsenal: go merge and form a super-club?

    In the US, there was no football tradition before MLS (I mean, NASL was not La Liga or EPL). That gave USSF a clean slate to draw a plan. Our situation is much more like the English or Europe in general (albeit on a much weaker scale), where one has to take along all the entities together. May be that will slow down the development, or not give a fully blown league, but that is the closest we should aim: develop on the lines of EPL.
  • We, as a rule, are assuming that the future league shall be franchisee-based. But I think there shall be a way to include the existing mass-based (as well as privately held) clubs into the league. For example, how shall EB or MB (or for that matter, PFC or Dempo) be taken in the league? Surely, they cannot be kept out; and as of now, they will not be able to gather THAT amount of cash needed to compete in a franchisee-based league. I believe IMG-R is trying to find a way out (is that the reason for the delay in coming out with a scheme?)

    Secondly, it’s easy to say this club shall merge into that club: this is simply not going to happen. I don’t think Salgaocar would be ready to merge with Clube, or Air India with MFC or United SC with EB, even for equity stakes. Can you really merge clubs just like that to create a one-city-one-club scenario? Can you really merge Everton with Liverpool, knowing the latter born out of the former; and Man City to Man U to for a super club, knowing the inherent rivalry? Can one say to QPR, Chelsea or Arsenal: go merge and form a super-club?

    In the US, there was no football tradition before MLS (I mean, NASL was not La Liga or EPL). That gave USSF a clean slate to draw a plan. Our situation is much more like the English or Europe in general (albeit on a much weaker scale), where one has to take along all the entities together. May be that will slow down the development, or not give a fully blown league, but that is the closest we should aim: develop on the lines of EPL.

    I am hoping for a mix of the J.League and Major League Soccer. Introduce some former clubs from the old I-League into the new league and have the format in a MLS style.

    I never really said we would get rid of these clubs in I-League. Clubs like MB and EB are vital because they draw a huge attendance, Dempo SC is the most professional club in Goa, Pune FC is the most professional in India and Shillong Lajong FC brings in the crowd.

    Also that is why I would want the league to be on a years hiatus if they are starting a franchise league because during that year they can advertise there league business model to other notable companies and possibly get some deals done. Right now the AIFF want a franchise league but a franchise league depends on money and right now the barely any club in I-League has a lot of money. A hiatus would be needed for a year to again, advertise the league.

    By the way these are the clubs I would keep in the league...
    1) East Bengal
    2) Mohun Bagan
    3) Dempo SC
    4) Sporting Goa
    5) Pune FC
    6) Shillong Lajong FC
    7) United Sikkim FC
    8) Kochi Eagles FC or Mumbai FC or Newly Founded team

    That is 8 teams for the 2013-14 season which is what I am hoping for (obviously I know it wont be like that). Also I left out clubs like Prayag United, Salgaocar etc because they wont relocate yet. They would be committing financial suicide if they stayed in the league due to the reluctance to move there club. Also then we would have to many clubs.
  • shankarshankar 2600 Points
    they best way to implement the rules of relocation would be to ask the current clubs to shift to more viable choices where they shall get more support
    and also to make it a 2 club a state rule...may be aiff should put this rule that if you want a club to be in the state(from where they played in local league) which have already 2 clubs from that place, they should ask for a huge amount as franchise charges and if they are ready to change the location, the club will get some amount as promotional amount to the club to gain some fan base, as this would be a win-win position for the clubs as well ...
    my idea would be better suited for those clubs who are getting promoted newly to top division..
  • they best way to implement the rules of relocation would be to ask the current clubs to shift to more viable choices where they shall get more support
    and also to make it a 2 club a state rule...may be aiff should put this rule that if you want a club to be in the state(from where they played in local league) which have already 2 clubs from that place, they should ask for a huge amount as franchise charges and if they are ready to change the location, the club will get some amount as promotional amount to the club to gain some fan base, as this would be a win-win position for the clubs as well ...
    my idea would be better suited for those clubs who are getting promoted newly to top division..

    If a club wants to join the national level of football but there current location is in a state with 2 teams in it then they should either relocate or go down a level and join the I-League 2nd Division and stay in there original location. If at any point they decide they want to join the first division they would need to follow I-League criteria and and must prove that they would have a viable fan base in the 1st Division.

    NOTE: Even if in the 2nd Division you get 50,000 people a game you still have to prove you would get a crowd. Some teams can get a crowd of 50,000 people in the 2nd Division but then get 10,000 in the first because some football fans will support a first division team and a second division one but then once both are there that fan will forget about the new club.
  • Hey guys. I know that Prayag United want to stay near Bengal and that we want them to go to Lucknow but that wont really happen.

    Why not move them to Ranchi, Jharkhand. The reason I say this is because they just hosted the Indian National Games in 2011 and the main reason... the Birsa Munda Athletics Stadium. The 35,000 seater stadium with all bucket seats. Plus they have box seats where the owners can sit. I bet that Prayag could also get a good fan base here. Ranchi is a good sporting place and the area around the stadium has many athletic areas to and a small football pitch outside the main stadium where Prayag can practice at.

    Here is the picture of the stadium:

    15RanStadium.jpg
  • namewtheldnamewtheld Kolkata5665 Points
    Look at the stadium man! its shit for football. What will the spectators get to see. I bet they wont be able to spot the ball from that far away
  • Look at the stadium man! its shit for football. What will the spectators get to see. I bet they wont be able to spot the ball from that far away

    There are better pictures of the stadium which clearly shows that the ball can be seen. Go onto Google Images and type in the stadium name and you will see clearer pictures. Trust me, when I saw this pic I almost threw up but I searched it and wow was it good.

    Also what is the difference between this distance and the distance from the field at Salt Lake Stadium. Plus you name me a better stadium for Prayag that is outside West Bengal.
  • shankarshankar 2600 Points
    Hey guys. I know that Prayag United want to stay near Bengal and that we want them to go to Lucknow but that wont really happen.

    Why not move them to Ranchi, Jharkhand. The reason I say this is because they just hosted the Indian National Games in 2011 and the main reason... the Birsa Munda Athletics Stadium. The 35,000 seater stadium with all bucket seats. Plus they have box seats where the owners can sit. I bet that Prayag could also get a good fan base here. Ranchi is a good sporting place and the area around the stadium has many athletic areas to and a small football pitch outside the main stadium where Prayag can practice at.

    Here is the picture of the stadium:

    15RanStadium.jpg
    i watched the national games and they got some fans even for the athletics also and i think the football matches were held in some ground/stadium in jamshedpur but still if prayag is able to continue its good footballing display then they could easily get some good amount of fans to the stadium for their support and i think the turf wont be that bad.If they are ready to shift then the Jharkhand govt would be glad to help them given the sport loving nature of their Chief Minister as far as infrastructure changes are concerned .
  • Hey guys. I know that Prayag United want to stay near Bengal and that we want them to go to Lucknow but that wont really happen.

    Why not move them to Ranchi, Jharkhand. The reason I say this is because they just hosted the Indian National Games in 2011 and the main reason... the Birsa Munda Athletics Stadium. The 35,000 seater stadium with all bucket seats. Plus they have box seats where the owners can sit. I bet that Prayag could also get a good fan base here. Ranchi is a good sporting place and the area around the stadium has many athletic areas to and a small football pitch outside the main stadium where Prayag can practice at.

    Here is the picture of the stadium:

    15RanStadium.jpg
    i watched the national games and they got some fans even for the athletics also and i think the football matches were held in some ground/stadium in jamshedpur but still if prayag is able to continue its good footballing display then they could easily get some good amount of fans to the stadium for their support and i think the turf wont be that bad.If they are ready to shift then the Jharkhand govt would be glad to help them given the sport loving nature of their Chief Minister as far as infrastructure changes are concerned .

    <!-- s:bow-plusone: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bow/plusone.gif" alt=":bow-plusone:" title="PlusOne" /><!-- s:bow-plusone: --> Exactly the point I am trying to prove.

    I would take this stadium now before it turns into a hockey stadium or Elite Shitball League of India stadium.
  • shankarshankar 2600 Points
    Exactly the point I am trying to prove.

    I would take this stadium now before it turns into a hockey stadium or Elite Shitball League of India stadium.
    it cant be taken by hockey at least as there is already a good hockey stadium in jharkhand and also hockey is played in astro turfs not on grass in recent days...but cant say about EFLI though
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