> Varun Kochi said:
> Is Kolkata city so packed that we can't even think of building a new stadium?? It's always better or best if you have a home rather having a rented house. If Salt Lake owners are so arrogant with their attitude on not giving up or even sharing the ownership of the stadium, and also, if both EB and MB maidans are not even to the standards, neither in quality nor quantity; why don't they, both EB and MB join hands to build a single stadium together? If both clubs can combine for such a mission, investers will rise in leaps...A new stadium, ownership and share stake equally shared by both clubs, a 90k all chair seater, with no interference from army, politics, and violence, but a healthy rivalry within the pitch, and excitement down the stands...
good idea....but kolkata also has RABINDRA SAROBAR STADIUM, BARASAT STADIUM in addition to YBK..... y not develop the other two to world class standard and let the ybk be used only during derby games?
Rabindra and Barasat should be left to amateur football. A club like Bagan and Bengal need a professional stadium to play in. Prayag I feel will now play in Siliguri as the stadium there is perfect (minus the pitch which I think they can fix).
I disagree about 90,000 seats. The two clubs only get 90,000 people twice a season during the derbies. Maybe 60,000 just so the stadium does not look empty on match days. The Salt Lake Stadium may be big but the fan bases of Mohun Bagan and East Bengal are not that big to cover the huge space the stadium gives.
Rabindra and Barasat should be left to amateur football. A club like Bagan and Bengal need a professional stadium to play in. Prayag I feel will now play in Siliguri as the stadium there is perfect (minus the pitch which I think they can fix).
I disagree about 90,000 seats. The two clubs only get 90,000 people twice a season during the derbies. Maybe 60,000 just so the stadium does not look empty on match days. The Salt Lake Stadium may be big but the fan bases of Mohun Bagan and East Bengal are not that big to cover the huge space the stadium gives.
60k is perfect amount any top club in world ....anything more is unnecessary and also our clubs are not good enough to market the club among other fans to get to stadium so a 30k public in 60k stadium is better than 35k in 90k stadium
Real Estate is so damn expensive in India that it is beyond club's dreams or any private sector to build any stadium. Best thing is to use the infrastructure and upgrade it-whether owned by Central government, state government, municipal corporation or some PSU or Tata type groups. In cricket also, various associations lease the ground from government whenever they are organising matches. It will be interesting to see the profit sharing model-like how much money Dempo give to Sports authority of Goa to organise home match at Fatorda or is it Goa FA or IMG/AIFF who get the lease for all the clubs.
Can you pay for the land though in India through payments. I know for Arsenal they did not buy the land outright. That is why we don't spend money, we pay off the debt for the land over time.
In India, one needs lot of political and financial muscle to get things done. Lot of stakeholders have to make money. In Hindi they say "Is mein hamara kya faayda". Just think, if some baba is making an ashram or some politician is making a private engineering college, land magically appears as different parties are making money-black or white. There are subsidies involved, town master plan and sports always take a back seat in this country. Whole Calcutta Maidan area-from Fort William to Eden Gardens to East Bengal, Mohun Bagan grounds are owned by Indian Army. Even super rich CAB doesnt completely own Eden Gardens. I dont think Indian Army will sell their land to them and say do what you want. Now as Cricket associations are earning money, they have started to make their own stadiums-prime example is Pune. Earlier MCA used to organise matches at Pune municipal Corporation owned Nehru Stadium, Swar Gate, Pune but they have built new Sahara Stadium and its much much better now. But it cost them 300 crores rupees. I dont think that our clubs generate enough revenue to build stadiums. Best way forward is to continue improving the available government infrastructure, grounds, flood-lights, TV telecast and focus on growing Indian Football for next 10-15 years first.
It is issue between multipurpose stadiums and football specific stadium. Lets see how many football only stadiums we have in India-
Ambedkar stadium, delhi Bangalore stadium, Bangalore Cooperage stadium, Mumbai Corporation stadium, Calicut Tilak maidan, vasco Paljor stadium, Gangtok may be
Rest all seem to be multipurpose (atheletics, government rallies) type stadiums. Maybe if Indian Army gives MB and EB free hand in future to build their grounds into proper stadiums, it will be great.-atleast 40000 capacity.
> munna21977 said:
> It is issue between multipurpose stadiums and football specific stadium. Lets see how many football only stadiums we have in India-
Ambedkar stadium, delhi Bangalore stadium, Bangalore Cooperage stadium, Mumbai Corporation stadium, Calicut Tilak maidan, vasco Paljor stadium, Gangtok may be
Rest all seem to be multipurpose (atheletics, government rallies) type stadiums. Maybe if Indian Army gives MB and EB free hand in future to build their grounds into proper stadiums, it will be great.-atleast 40000 capacity.
also include barasat stadium, near kolkata (22000) rajarshi shahu stadium, kolhapur (10000)
i agree that EB and MB should look into the possibility of having their own stadiums for i-league games...... if army doesnt give them permission, they should look elsewhere from the maidans (which is very very unlikely though) ......if they have the money to pay insanely high and unnecessary wages, they can afford to build a 30000 capacity stadium on outskirts of the city (they can take a loan to build the stadium from the government and pay yearly installments)..... the money invested will not be wasted as for a EB or a MB game, there will always be good crowds...... the local derbies can be held at YBK ,rest of them at their own stadiums
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> Varun Kochi said:
> Is Kolkata city so packed that we can't even think of building a new stadium?? It's always better or best if you have a home rather having a rented house. If Salt Lake owners are so arrogant with their attitude on not giving up or even sharing the ownership of the stadium, and also, if both EB and MB maidans are not even to the standards, neither in quality nor quantity; why don't they, both EB and MB join hands to build a single stadium together? If both clubs can combine for such a mission, investers will rise in leaps...A new stadium, ownership and share stake equally shared by both clubs, a 90k all chair seater, with no interference from army, politics, and violence, but a healthy rivalry within the pitch, and excitement down the stands...
good idea....but kolkata also has RABINDRA SAROBAR STADIUM, BARASAT STADIUM in addition to YBK..... y not develop the other two to world class standard and let the ybk be used only during derby games?
> Arsenalkid700 said:
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Real Estate is so damn expensive in India that it is beyond club's dreams or any private sector to build any stadium. Best thing is to use the infrastructure and upgrade it-whether owned by Central government, state government, municipal corporation or some PSU or Tata type groups. In cricket also, various associations lease the ground from government whenever they are organising matches.
It will be interesting to see the profit sharing model-like how much money Dempo give to Sports authority of Goa to organise home match at Fatorda or is it Goa FA or IMG/AIFF who get the lease for all the clubs.
Can you pay for the land though in India through payments. I know for Arsenal they did not buy the land outright. That is why we don't spend money, we pay off the debt for the land over time.
In India, one needs lot of political and financial muscle to get things done. Lot of stakeholders have to make money. In Hindi they say "Is mein hamara kya faayda". Just think, if some baba is making an ashram or some politician is making a private engineering college, land magically appears as different parties are making money-black or white. There are subsidies involved, town master plan and sports always take a back seat in this country.
Whole Calcutta Maidan area-from Fort William to Eden Gardens to East Bengal, Mohun Bagan grounds are owned by Indian Army. Even super rich CAB doesnt completely own Eden Gardens. I dont think Indian Army will sell their land to them and say do what you want.
Now as Cricket associations are earning money, they have started to make their own stadiums-prime example is Pune. Earlier MCA used to organise matches at Pune municipal Corporation owned Nehru Stadium, Swar Gate, Pune but they have built new Sahara Stadium and its much much better now. But it cost them 300 crores rupees.
I dont think that our clubs generate enough revenue to build stadiums. Best way forward is to continue improving the available government infrastructure, grounds, flood-lights, TV telecast and focus on growing Indian Football for next 10-15 years first.
Good point. Well lets hope the EB Ground and MB Ground get proper work done. The Salt Lake is to big.
Is there any renovation in eb and mb ground
It is issue between multipurpose stadiums and football specific stadium. Lets see how many football only stadiums we have in India-
Ambedkar stadium, delhi
Bangalore stadium, Bangalore
Cooperage stadium, Mumbai
Corporation stadium, Calicut
Tilak maidan, vasco
Paljor stadium, Gangtok may be
Rest all seem to be multipurpose (atheletics, government rallies) type stadiums. Maybe if Indian Army gives MB and EB free hand in future to build their grounds into proper stadiums, it will be great.-atleast 40000 capacity.
> munna21977 said:
> It is issue between multipurpose stadiums and football specific stadium. Lets see how many football only stadiums we have in India-
Ambedkar stadium, delhi
Bangalore stadium, Bangalore
Cooperage stadium, Mumbai
Corporation stadium, Calicut
Tilak maidan, vasco
Paljor stadium, Gangtok may be
Rest all seem to be multipurpose (atheletics, government rallies) type stadiums. Maybe if Indian Army gives MB and EB free hand in future to build their grounds into proper stadiums, it will be great.-atleast 40000 capacity.
also include
barasat stadium, near kolkata (22000)
rajarshi shahu stadium, kolhapur (10000)
i agree that EB and MB should look into the possibility of having their own stadiums for i-league games...... if army doesnt give them permission, they should look elsewhere from the maidans (which is very very unlikely though) ......if they have the money to pay insanely high and unnecessary wages, they can afford to build a 30000 capacity stadium on outskirts of the city (they can take a loan to build the stadium from the government and pay yearly installments)..... the money invested will not be wasted as for a EB or a MB game, there will always be good crowds...... the local derbies can be held at YBK ,rest of them at their own stadiums