@cleatbeat All I am asking is do not behave like a spammer. One of those behaviours is posting the same thing in multiple threads. This forum is open for everyone to comment/remark and stuff. But you have to follow the basic ethics of a forum.<div><br></div><div>You did post earlier the same thing in 3 threads including a new one. And again you are posting the same thing in 2-3 threads.</div><div>You do your job, we do ours. Lets be happy. And do not dig what happened months ago</div>
Also, what you are talking about "Football literacy" is what our problem is. A lot of people, even those who play and coach, are football "literate" but not "educated about the game". There is a huge difference between education and literacy and that is what we are trying to highlight. Should we list out the number of people who are making school-boy errors when coaching/playing at the highest level in India? <div><br></div><div>This forum isn't big enough for that! Yet, we keep dwelling in mediocrity and discussing things that won't change one thing!<div><br></div><div>The collective knowledge on this forum does not make one ounce of difference because almost all of it is theoretical talk. Knowledge does not come by sitting on a couch and watching a match on the telly, it comes from actually going out there and coaching kids. </div><div><br></div><div>Anyone can become a coach or a player, but how many do? All we do is talk. Like we say - talk is cheap!</div></div>
Fans are supossed to talk, discuss, crib, cry, laugh about the game even if that doesnt change anything or even if that doesnt help anyone...the mere fact that there are people willing to utilise there time, bit of money (on internet, magazines, tickets) itself is the reason why coaches, players, clubs are willing to invest on the game... So, Mr. Cleatbeat or Asit Ganguli or whoever, remember this, u haven a very poor account of urself by attacking people who are doing what u said - "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The collective knowledge on this forum does not make one ounce of difference because almost all of it is theoretical talk. Knowledge does not come by sitting on a couch and watching a match on the telly, it comes from actually going out there and coaching kids." "</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><b>talk is cheap!</b>"</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">So, please leave us in peace and continue with what u think is valuable (I am probably one of few who follow your website and magazine). Do you actually think a casual fan needs to know more about coaching drill? How 7v7 needs to be played? These are very valuable info, which only specialised person needs to know...and its ur job to make sure they read it rather than cribbing here about urself....</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, 'Lucida Sans Unicode', tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div>
Also, what you are talking about "Football literacy" is what our problem is. A lot of people, even those who play and coach, are football "literate" but not "educated about the game". There is a huge difference between education and literacy and that is what we are trying to highlight. Should we list out the number of people who are making school-boy errors when coaching/playing at the highest level in India? </font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">This forum isn't big enough for that! Yet, we keep dwelling in mediocrity and discussing things that won't change one thing!<div><br></div><div>The collective knowledge on this forum does not make one ounce of difference because almost all of it is theoretical talk. Knowledge does not come by sitting on a couch and watching a match on the telly, it comes from actually going out there and coaching kids. </div><div><br></div><div>Anyone can become a coach or a player, but how many do? All we do is talk. Like we say - talk is cheap!</div></div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Thing is though is that we already know that. Everyone on this forum knows that. We may not say but at one point on this forum we discussed it. We discuss the pros and cons and everything. All of a sudden you come in and say that we dont know some things. Mate I have been on this forum for a while now and can say that all our users are very knowledgeable and know what is going on and if this can happen or not. We already know this.</font></div>
@Rudra: I have replied to your "we are fans, let us be" argument in the another topic so won't repeat it here. As for "everyone doesn't need specialized knowledge", let me give you a statistic. In Japan, there were 63,000 coaches in 2010, for a population of 163 million. In India, there were less than 5,000 for a population of 1.1 billion. <div><br></div><div>Do you know WHY India is ranked 157th in the world? Do you know why we will never qualify for the world cup at this rate? Do you know why we are falling further and further behind while the world is moving ahead? Because we love to talk! That's what Indians always do. Its not just football - pick any subject and we can talk about it for hours!</div><div><br></div><div>Ask someone to do something about it and suddenly, everyone has no time, they have families to look after, offices to go to. Basically, what every Indian has is a license to talk. People who have, even once in their entire lives, sat here and written anything bad about Indian football have no right to do so unless they have gotten off their butts and tried to do something about it.</div><div><br></div><div>Just like you cannot sit and complain about the ruling government if you didn't vote, you cannot utter one bad word about a thing that you contribute nothing to. And let's not say that anyone over here hasn't done that because if ArsenalKid700 says these things have been discussed, then you HAVE said it.<br><div><br><div>What stops you from becoming a coach? You don't love the game enough? Clearly, if you are sitting here and talking about it for hours, then you do. Moreso, you care enough about it to talk about Indian football, not European football, so that is even better. However, its fine as long as you have to sit on a chair and type into a computer. No one wants to get their hands dirty - that's very convenient!</div><div><br></div><div>Or is your love for Indian football just something you do to sound cool??? I don't understand - if you love chocolate, then you eat it, if you love a car, then you buy it, but if you love Indian football, and you don't do anything? you just talk? That's double-standards isn't it?</div><div><br><div><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">@ArsenalKid: Its great that you guys know all that I have said! Its even better that you guys have been here for a really long time. So that brings me to the point I have been trying to make - what has changed?</span></div></div></div></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Here's my point - why are we, after 50 years, still talking? If there are 1,000 people on this forum, why can't these 1,000 people start coaching little kids in their local parks? What is the matter? You don't love the game enough or you don't love Indian football or you don't enjoy teaching?</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">Fact is, it is easy to sit in a room and criticize people, associations, football teams and every living soul. In fact, go ahead and criticize me but please make sure no one, especially me, can turn around and point a finger at you saying "What gives you the right to tell me to stay in my place? I am DOING something for Indian football - you aren't!"</span></div>
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Well the 1000 members on here have something called the real life to deal with. Most of us have jobs and school work to do. I for example have to deal with school and my Academy team. I can coach as well at age 8-10 level if I want but I dont have time. Instead I coach my brother in our backyard when we have a chance. For Rudra, he does a lot for Indian football, specially when it comes to giving us news weeks before announced and contributes pictures. And he does that because that is all he can do, he has a job to keep up. Same with all of us.</font>
<div>See, now why would you go and say something like that? "real life"? I too run two other firms, one is a content and design firm and the other has more to do with daily-use products. However, I still find the time to do what I love every day. There are 24 hours in a day - anyone who wants to do it makes the time. Check out my LinkedIn profile and you will know that I am not just saying these things.</div><div><br></div>Imagine what world you would be living in if Mahatma Gandhi had said he had a life rather than sacrifice himself for his country. Imagine what world you would live in if every soldier in the armed forces said that they had a life rather than die for their country.<div><br></div><div>But, to tell you the truth, what you are saying is exactly the same attitude we have gotten from almost everyone we have spoken to. Everyone wants their security and everyone wants their weekend-parties, their relaxing Sundays, their vacations - but they all will also sit and discuss how nothing is right and there is something wrong with the system.</div><div><br></div><div>Well, the one thing I figured out is you cannot change the system from the outside - you need to be a part of that system! There will always be something more personal, more important to do, but when something needs to be done, you need to make time.</div><div><br></div><div>I am hoping to find some people here who are willing to be a part of the action. Point them in my direction if you know of any. I will be very grateful!</div>
</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">See, now why would you go and say something like that? "real life"? I too run two other firms, one is a content and design firm and the other has more to do with daily-use products. However, I still find the time to do what I love every day. There are 24 hours in a day - anyone who wants to do it makes the time. Check out my LinkedIn profile and you will know that I am not just saying these things.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Imagine what world you would be living in if Mahatma Gandhi had said he had a life rather than sacrifice himself for his country. Imagine what world you would live in if every soldier in the armed forces said that they had a life rather than die for their country.</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">But, to tell you the truth, what you are saying is exactly the same attitude we have gotten from almost everyone we have spoken to. Everyone wants their security and everyone wants their weekend-parties, their relaxing Sundays, their vacations - but they all will also sit and discuss how nothing is right and there is something wrong with the system.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Well, the one thing I figured out is you cannot change the system from the outside - you need to be a part of that system! There will always be something more personal, more important to do, but when something needs to be done, you need to make time.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">I am hoping to find some people here who are willing to be a part of the action. Point them in my direction if you know of any. I will be very grateful!</div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Congrats, you are able to find time to do so and that is great but again, not all of us have that luxury. We have other things to do as well. If you want me to go deeper as an example than let me tell you. I go to school, I play Academy soccer, I have a job as well, I also run 2 clubs at school and I volunteer. Over the summer it is Academy soccer, job, 1 club and writing for my local newspaper. I have no time and I am sure most people on here dont have time as well. Dont accuse us of not wanting to help this country get better. We all know now what you guys want to do and we support you but the other things you guys said are way off line. The armchair fans etc will not get you guys support. Keep doing what you are doing and I wish you luck but dont hassle us fans for doing what we can. </font></div>
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</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Thing is though is that we already know that. Everyone on this forum knows that. We may not say but at one point on this forum we discussed it. We discuss the pros and cons and everything. All of a sudden you come in and say that we dont know some things. Mate I have been on this forum for a while now and can say that all our users are very knowledgeable and know what is going on and if this can happen or not. We already know this.</font></div>
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Congrats, you are able to find time to do so and that is great but again, not all of us have that luxury. We have other things to do as well. If you want me to go deeper as an example than let me tell you. I go to school, I play Academy soccer, I have a job as well, I also run 2 clubs at school and I volunteer. Over the summer it is Academy soccer, job, 1 club and writing for my local newspaper. I have no time and I am sure most people on here dont have time as well. Dont accuse us of not wanting to help this country get better. We all know now what you guys want to do and we support you but the other things you guys said are way off line. The armchair fans etc will not get you guys support. Keep doing what you are doing and I wish you luck but dont hassle us fans for doing what we can. </font></div>