<div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Nice conclusion rudra!!!</font></div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">In the end,</font></div>@rudra,@arsenlafan and @shankar, this was a great debate!!! Hats off to all of you all. ^:)^ </font>
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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">^:)^</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also, appreciate all other joining this including @imsourav,@jitinjoseph and others. Thank you all making this a great knowledge source.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">@Admin please create a new thread for this debate and all other future topics so that once could go through them for more knowledge.</font></div>
its my personal opinion, that every tournament should not be judged for its value on bring upcoming talent or helping Indian football directly. There are many other aspects that football teams are all about. An association, be it state or national has one huge responsibility apart from making improvements in football, and that is to care about its players. The players, be it 16 yrs old or 36 yr old is the responsibility of the association (of course, they need to prioritize the youth).</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">When a tournament like Santosh Trophy starts it encompasses a pan -Indian feeling. It also keeps the state rivarly, which is not a bad thing. In the current set up, the state associations can get all there non i league players and make a team and ask how well they have been in building players from the state. Many states like Mizoram, who are great in Santosh, dont have a proper club. Its time for them to cheer. Well, lets be honest, everyone cheers most when senior teams do well than u16,19. This is the case in Cricket also when there was very less hype when India won youth WC. For states like Rajasthan, himachal etc its time to show that they have worth too. No I league club will go to Rajasthan for a trail.</font></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">It is also not that Santosh cant attract sponsors, Locally hosted tournaments have actually better chance of getting local sponsors if they know that ppl are interested, and yes ppl of some regions are interested.</font></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Its also not that players dont get scouted in big league, they are scouted in 2nd div clubs and also in some i league clubs. Also it provides them oppurtunity to get into PSUs.</font></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Football associations should care for footballers, its easy for armchair intellectuals like us to pity on poor footballers or to decide that suddenly all state associations sud stop the making senior teams, but the impact it can get on footballers is not what we can gauge.</font></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Its important to get the feel for the country's footballing culture than just looking at japan, UK, USA, Australia because they are successful...Indian has its own culture and the ultimate solution needs to be unique where footballers and state associations are in a win win situation.</font></div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Mate. First you still refuse to look at this financially. This is not fantasy lala land. This is cold business. This is hard shit. There is a reason why with this shit tournament Santosh Trophy that we are still looked down upon in Indian football. We are not at a point where we can just care for everyone, get that through your head. I respect you so much but I have to do this if this will get it to your head and everyone else. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also the BC Roy Trophy and Mir Trophy is also pan-India. It can also show how the state is doing when it comes to player development. You can also keep that state rivalry going as well. No one is stoping that.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also what are you talking about with Mizoram. They have a 3 tier football league and they have Aizawl FC who also have an Academy. Also was there greatest player ever produced (or soon to be) Jeje Lelpekhlua get scouted from Santosh Trophy, NO. He was scouted from the BC Roy Trophy. </font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">As for India U19 Cricket. Youth football is more popular than youth cricket. Cricket does not involve that much in terms of youth involvement and the BCCI have more than enough money to run the IPL, Ranji Trophy, and the BCCI Corporate Trophy. Youth football is more important to the sport. It involves different levels of youth teams and many lessons of the game. It takes much more money to form youth football in India than it does in Cricket. That is something you guys need to learn and force yourselves to believe because that is the truth and if you dont believe than I am sorry for you guys.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also I could care less for the culture thing. For god sake if the US can get through it than India can too for football. Many people that an American style Cricket league would fail but now look, it is the biggest thing ever in India. I hate it when people say that just because so and so can do this but India can not because I know you guys can. That is why I am an American and British kid of Indian decent following Indian Football instead of being devoted to MLS or EPL. If I did not think you guys can do it than I would have left a long time ago. </font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">At this moment it is obvious what is needed, the problem is that some people cant handle that truth. Whether it be history or what they have been told.</font></div>
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">What, I cant be harsh in a debate. In the end we are friends. I will talk to everyone else in a great tone on other threads but here if I need to then yes. Dont take it so personal as if I want to kill you or something. In the end of the day we are two guys talking over the internet from 8,000 miles away. </font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also I think you misread what I meant.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">When MLS came in 1996 many thought that because soccer failed in America before and that America has 4 different major sports that MLS would fail but we got through it and now look at where they are. Same from Australia and Japan and South Korea. These are multi-sport countries that have made it to be so good at football as well when the odds were against them.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">If they can do it than India can as well. Right now we have the IPL and WSH in our way. And also European soccer. Domestic Soccer has failed before. You can see the similarities right.</font></div>
@admin I would suggest you to have some kind of time limit for the duration of debate. It can't go on and on for whole night. May be 2 n a half hours or 3 hours ll be sufficient for it
@admin I would suggest you to have some kind of time limit for the duration of debate. It can't go on and on for whole night. May be 2 n a half hours or 3 hours ll be sufficient for it
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">True man...yesterday i had to call it after 4+ hours of debate and yet no neutral person (which i prefer should be our @Admin) ; and call this debate out and say that it is time to finish it and ask everyone to give a conclusion..</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">that would have looked a befitting finish to that excellent debate</font></div>
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Great debate..some really great points from both sides...</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">As many of u have mentioned, a lot of fresh rules needed for this section like time limit, proper moderation, also that people are to the point and don't into needless debates.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">All these will be updated soon</font></div>
When is the next debate. sorry i missed it.. i would suggest EPL,la liga on TV boon or bane for indian football.<br>i dont think if this has been already discussed or not<br>
Next debate will happen on next Saturday (26th May). Topic will be announced soon, and also expect rules like Time limits. Members are encouraged to jot down there arguments in a separate file and then when the debate starts put forward the points. After everyone puts in the full arguments, one can get into pros and cons of each, rather than a everyday kind of discussion which happened last time. Also encouraged is giving examples and sources.<div>There will be no winner or loser here. The main thing is to have everyone putting their views properly and also respecting each other's views. More importantly everyone should be professional, no outbursts and personal attacks.</div>
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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">^:)^</font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "> </span></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also, appreciate all other joining this including @imsourav,@jitinjoseph and others. Thank you all making this a great knowledge source.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">@Admin please create a new thread for this debate and all other future topics so that once could go through them for more knowledge.</font></div>
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Mate. First you still refuse to look at this financially. This is not fantasy lala land. This is cold business. This is hard shit. There is a reason why with this shit tournament Santosh Trophy that we are still looked down upon in Indian football. We are not at a point where we can just care for everyone, get that through your head. I respect you so much but I have to do this if this will get it to your head and everyone else. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; ">Also the BC Roy Trophy and Mir Trophy is also pan-India. It can also show how the state is doing when it comes to player development. You can also keep that state rivalry going as well. No one is stoping that.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also what are you talking about with Mizoram. They have a 3 tier football league and they have Aizawl FC who also have an Academy. Also was there greatest player ever produced (or soon to be) Jeje Lelpekhlua get scouted from Santosh Trophy, NO. He was scouted from the BC Roy Trophy. </font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">As for India U19 Cricket. Youth football is more popular than youth cricket. Cricket does not involve that much in terms of youth involvement and the BCCI have more than enough money to run the IPL, Ranji Trophy, and the BCCI Corporate Trophy. Youth football is more important to the sport. It involves different levels of youth teams and many lessons of the game. It takes much more money to form youth football in India than it does in Cricket. That is something you guys need to learn and force yourselves to believe because that is the truth and if you dont believe than I am sorry for you guys.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also I could care less for the culture thing. For god sake if the US can get through it than India can too for football. Many people that an American style Cricket league would fail but now look, it is the biggest thing ever in India. I hate it when people say that just because so and so can do this but India can not because I know you guys can. That is why I am an American and British kid of Indian decent following Indian Football instead of being devoted to MLS or EPL. If I did not think you guys can do it than I would have left a long time ago. </font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">At this moment it is obvious what is needed, the problem is that some people cant handle that truth. Whether it be history or what they have been told.</font></div>
</font><br><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; "><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">True man...yesterday i had to call it after 4+ hours of debate and yet no neutral person (which i prefer should be our @Admin) ; and call this debate out and say that it is time to finish it and ask everyone to give a conclusion..</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">that would have looked a befitting finish to that excellent debate</font></div>